have you listened to it yet, surrell?

No i'm waiting to buy like in olden days. Even though Domo23 wasn't his best, I think his style was still on point and Bimmer was hawwwt

post what you think when you get it. It has some good songs it's just feels a little predictable. The same topics are still being recycled, his lack of father, his choice to not smoke weed, his inhaler. I do think it has the strongest production of the 3 releases.

Some of it sounds too contrived "grab a couple friends, start a couple riots, crash a couple *#$#* stomp some bullies." It's kinda cute stuff but I yearn for the old odd future like what was going on in the first earl music video, I miss that edge.

I'd heard he was gonna put his favorite production thus far on this album. He does reuse topics, I can't refute that, but a lot of my favorite rappers have their safety zones in a sense, so for me as long as it sounds like they're coming up with newer ways to put them out there I can usually stay behind it. Some of Wayne's newer stuff, even though he's even admitted his disinterest in rap recently, just gets me in how nonchalant or off the cuff it seems.

All the same, I'm looking forward to it. He didn't sound too excited, maybe it's his own expectations or the backlash he's gotten, I dunno. I'm just hoping it's a nice closer for the trilogy. I also look forward to what comes next since this series of albums is at its end; maybe he'll come out anew, or not. His career still thrills me and, as a fanboy, I still think he's one of the more unique forces in Hip Hop right now, with a lot of OF, even if I granted that he were a one-trick pony (which I wouldn't, at least not entirely).

See that's my main issue, he's not really saying the stuff in novel ways. It would certainly be a double standard to criticize him for reusing topics, but he does it enough where it's immediately noticeable, he's more explicit with it while other rappers usually wrap more original wordplay to convey the same topics. It's not as interesting to listen to.

I can see that. If it does sound too similar to the past two albums and his mixtape material, I will probably have to dock points or give him demerits or something. But Tyler's style always kept even his Lil Wayne defacation pun satires (which he utilizes quite often) fresh for me, and lines like "dope as fuck/ so i would really shoot a group of guys up" (Goblin bonus track) always really got me. Maybe not the best but i thought it was pretty slick

he has a lyric that goes "shit was doper then whitney houstons knees" i lol'd.

I still think he's witty, this record just seems complacent. I hold him to a higher standard but perhaps it's unfair.

I don't think it is at all. I'd say that's a great complement to his skill, even though you don't think it lives up to that. I may find the same outcome. My main problem with Goblin was that he almost became too ambitious, and stretched his concept about beyond its means. That doesn't disregard the fact that I think it takes a lot of talent and wit to even come close to executing it, and he's one of the very few rappers even today who really can. Even if he didn't have a storyline, just hearing how the OF 2 tape moves, so smoothly and with its own arc, is really neat.

btw is that line implying her ashiness was actually cocaine?

I don't know dog. I think your giving him a lot of false praise. I really can't fathom describing the new record as "ambitious". I mean kool keith already did every sound tylers done and that was 2 decades ago, and it still sounds very similar.

Yeah I'm not so familiar with Keith. But I was referring more directly to Goblin as ambitious. Even though Keith did it (but its like what the hell hasn't he done), how many people really try to make Hip Hop with edge or concept like that? There's Shabazz, of course, in a different realm though. That's about all i can think of. But maybe I've been too out of the loop on recent rap.

i dont know man, it's super unfair comparison but dude nas made illmatic when he was what-17?

nas sure as hell wasn't rapping about eating candy and whatknot.

Conceptually speaking i think most "good" rap releases fair as strongly as anything tylers put out.

Well I'm not talking age here, and Nas did talk about bitches with beepers and sneakers as well. At least candy doesn't pay poor asian children .3 cents a day. I personally would put Tyler's conceptual narratives higher (on the standard of having a fairly coherent/clear storyline and use of conceptual tools like symbols and characters as well as being more interesting) above so-called concept rap albums like Kendrick Lamaar's album or Twisted Fantasy.

I don't know man. I really don't hear the underlying narrative or symbolism your referring to. You may be right, however. The only thing that comes to mind when trying to think what you may be speaking of is the psychiatrist interludes from bastard, and those just seemed rather naive.

Good discussion though, time for some sleep :thumb:

Not amazing, but there is more that I like compared to what I don't like here.

wait you think tylers charecters and storylines are better than kendricks O.O whats your beef against kendrck lol

That I could listen to The Predator and get the same content from an MC with more personality. Of course it will be a lot more aggressive and less ridden with guilt and personal turmoil (on the surface) but it's not a huge leap. I"m ragging on the guy but I do like Tyler more. Kendrick probably has more technical skill, but as far as matters in wordplay and content go, I just like Tyler more, I think it's a little fresher even though Sparky did point out that Keith has already touched base on a lot of these things.

Gah, I was fully following you until you said Tyler beat Kanye and Kendrick. Still, I am glad in a way that there are still plenty of people who find him as fresh as we all did in the Yonkers era. My love for Tyler may have only lasted until I noticed his more attractive friends standing behind him but I don't have any particular desire to see him die out because everyone else has moved on as well.

Like I said, Kendrick definitely has actual rapping skills down better than most, and Kanye is a very interesting character (though his rap style is nothing incredibly unique (though in many cases neither is Tyler's)); i guess it just comes down to me digging the scene more in a sense. Not like the crowds and the moshing and their whole fanbase image, but more of his aesthetic and his style surrounding that aesthetic.

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ok i understand you now, pretty much you think Kendrick is better but you enjoy tyler the creator more?

As far as things like flow go, and really mainly just as flow and cadence is concerned, Kendrick probably does win. He sounds nicer for the most part, even with his nasally voice thing. But Tyler has a more dominant presence, some pretty dense rhyme schemes sometimes (though never really in the way of internal patterns or anything), witty allusions/plays on words, and a disregard for what you should rap about or what really "matters" as far as content goes. Sure he's whiny like Drake and has punchlines similar to Wayne's or Ye's, but he's also built a lot of his/OF's mythology on inside jokes and bait-like falsities, as well as being a clearly discernible force in his minor penetration into the mainstream.

Hey Btw:

Tyler, the Creator Says He and Frank Ocean Wrote a Song for Justin Bieber, But It Was Rejected

And in other news:

Tyler, the Creator Is on the New Miley Cyrus Album, on a Track Co-Written With Mary J. Blige

Just gained some newfound respect for tyler

OK so my initial response is that this album is definitely a little harder to swallow even than Goblin. Making it so long with Tyler's signature but sometimes static style (especially in tempo) is probably the biggest problem. He also is very short on focus, which I think he recognizes in his concept on this album - there's, like, five characters who come and go as they please and you just have to pay attention to actually know who's saying what when (i still don't know who Salem is). Some songs probably break the story, and sometimes these are the best - "Trashwang" is killer as the "Tina" or "BSD" track here. Though the production doesn't vary much on the album, it is distinct from his earlier stuff (the percussion aside, which has been the primary anchor of the sound). His rhymes are on point, but he does seem like he kind of backed into a corner at times, especially concerning the storyline. It's kinda like watching the season of a show that was really great and on point for the first couple of seasons, but then kinda started to disintegrate the next time around; even though it's still really entertaining, it's just not as ingenious as before.

But some songs are definitely among his best: "Colossus," though still a bit much, is much better as a heartfelt tune than the drag of "Radicals;" "Lone" is equally poignant for its content and the extremely jazzy, Ghostface reminiscent beat; "48" for its interesting experiment in topic for Tyler and a solid beat as well; and then the superb beats on songs like "Pigs," "Jamba" (a good song in its own right), "Rusty" (a great song in its own right), and, of course, "Bimmer," definitely a highlight which should have gotten its own track. I did like "Partyisntover" and "Campfire" is good but it's just a drag all together and doesn't culminate properly. Overall, there are a lot of moments to love, but it's just too long and a little monotonous. Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" suffered a similar fate: though it had a lot of great ideas and solid songwriting and all, it was just too long, actually the same track length as this.

So though I'm sliiightly disappointed (though that word seems too harsh) I am really enjoying it. It's also got a lot of fun, kinda colorful moments, much more than either album before had. Plus! i feel like the lack of focus in the concept is really a great conceit for what his predicament seems to be right now. I guess that doesn't really justify his fragmentation of his own narrative though.

Great review man! I agree with you on pretty much every level. I've only listened to it 4 times though, need to give it more listens. It's definitely a warm and inviting record that so far, seems very replayable. Not only is his production great, but his rhymes are more on point than ever.

Too bad his concept couldn't keep up, but really, as much talent as he has, it seems he usually can't summon all of his skills all at once.

His concept was loose though and basically acted as the foundation for him to pour out a lot of feelings about his personal life on "Wolf". The rhymes are great and clever and the biggest thing about the album imo is Tyler's display of progression as a producer. The production is awesome!

It's downbeat and laid back most of the time but it creates a moody aura that acts as the perfect atmosphere for Tyler's subject matter. I think that maybe Wolf could've used a few cuts to make it shorter but it's a solid 8/10 imo.

I say 6/10 personally. By far his best work yet, I just don't like the guy much at all, and his personality ruins much of what he does (as well as some of the just outright bad songs on the album).

What songs do you feel are outright bad?

Also, where did you get that kickass Tribe avatar? :p

I am not very good with track names as I usually listen to music whilst playing on video games. The first four or five tracks were great though. 8/10 worthy type shit.

And I took the picture myself. I have inserts from CD's I own stuck on my wall in random patterns, so for whatever reason I decided to take a picture of that insert with my Madvillainy CD cover. I noticed the reflection and thought it was cool. Then it was all about the angle.

What games do you usually play while listening to music? Any and all or are there specific types of games?

That's cool man, the reflection is really cool and unique. That would be an interesting combination now that I think about it, Tribe over MF Doom/Madlib beats and/or MF Doom over jazzy Tribe beats.

I love playing games like Limbo, portal etc. whilst listening to music, but FIFA is generally my game of choice - sound muted.

I suppose I also just listen whilst I am browsing the net. I very rarely just listen to music on its own.

Yeah, same here. I'm usually doing something else while listening to music. I play a lot of Halo 4 while I listen to music on my headphones but I don't play very story centered games (like Silent Hill or Metal Gear Solid 4) while I'm listening to music because then it's actually a detriment.

anybody viewed tyler supposed "racist" mountain dew commercial yet? You might have to poke around for a bit to find it but it's worth it, i thought it was very humorous
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lol This one?



I didn't hear that it was being called "racist" more that it was making light of domestic violence.

Edit: well the youtube vid got pulled down but there is a video at this link

http://samuel-warde.com/2013/05/tyle...ynistic-video/

If its a case of domestic violence why would they have a police line up?

Very true, didn't think about that. I guess it was just a random mugging then. I guess they were more on edge just over the representation of violence against women

It violated my sense of humor is what it did.

it just shows how out of touch the Pepsi Group are that they think people will 'get' this kind of ridiculous stupidity just because it involves Tyler the Creator...who by the way is yet to do anything humorous, at all.
The whole thing's a trainwreck and you'd have hoped in a multi-billion dollar company someone would have had the sense not to release this mind numbingly awful advert.

Holy crap, I agree with Manky about something!