Brits Vs Yanks

TrampInaTux · 03-17-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Merkaba

Being very much an outsider of both nations I can see what Urban is saying.

If you said American music I know exactly what to think. Little fiddy cents in their masses, a few hundred thousand britneys, and some worse for wear metalheads.

When you say Britain though, my mind draws blanks. There is no one conclusion. First I think of Radiohead and then garage rock bands come to mind, a crap load of indie then shows up and last you know theres bound to be some pop floating around too.

Britain FEELS like a mixed bag. You don't know whats going to be the next big thing over there.

Yet 20 buks says a hip hop/rap artist will, again, be the next big thing in America.

Our charts are polluted with American artists anyway, so you can't go by them stupid things. As an outsider looking in you will only see the icing of two very tasty cakes. It depends what syle of music you like-if you like your rap done well, you'll turn to America. If you like Indie you'll turn to Britain. It depends on your taste in music to which country you prefer more. I do like Rap, but I prefer a good old fashioned British band which is why, for me, Britain wins.

Merkaba · 03-17-2006, 02:59 PM

I agree both are the tip of the iceberg scenarios. What I was implying was the UK seems a whole lot more versatile, taking nothing away from the Mars Voltas of America and the likes of, but I still feel the UK has that wee bit more movement happening in their industry. It is that indie experimentation that will be more likely to ignite something huge, then the passing trends of maybe hip/hop.

~~bungalow~~ · 03-17-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Merkaba

I agree both are the tip of the iceberg scenarios. What I was implying was the UK seems a whole lot more versatile, taking nothing away from the Mars Voltas of America and the likes of, but I still feel the UK has that wee bit more movement happening in their industry. It is that indie experimentation that will be more likely to ignite something huge, then the passing trends of maybe hip/hop.

Two things:

1. America has a brilliant indie scene. Austin, Texas, Athens Georgia, Portland Oregon, Omaha Nebraska. All have great bands pouring from them

2. Why is hip/hop a "passing trend"?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-17-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

Two things:

1. America has a brilliant indie scene. Austin, Texas, Athens Georgia, Portland Oregon, Omaha Nebraska. All have great bands pouring from them

But the thing is they`re not really that mainstream. In the UK a lot of indie acts get primetime airplay & TV time.

Merkaba · 03-17-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

Two things:

1. America has a brilliant indie scene. Austin, Texas, Athens Georgia, Portland Oregon, Omaha Nebraska. All have great bands pouring from them

2. Why is hip/hop a "passing trend"?

1. I know America does, but it's people like you that have to go hunting for them. You have to want to find them. Those bands don't come looking for you, unlike your major rap artists for example, who knock on your door every 3 minutes. America would be awesome if they could get those guys coming to the fore.

2. Not so much passing, that was probably the wrong word, as it has solid foundations that are probably here to stay. But America has trends. I hope this doesn't come across as too obscure but think of it as avalanches and rivers.

America is the avalanche. As soon as something triggers popularity in the us, the industry is mothered, absolutely mothered with a massive blanket of similar artists. (Eminem and Dre are good examples of this triggering). Once the market is covered in these artists it stays fairly dormant for sometime. Theres some on the side things happening (like the mars volta) but not for a long time does the next Eminem come along. The UK is the river, a steady flow of artists, which may not be as epic as the avalanche, but are consistantly keeping the industry ticking over. Keeping it fresh. Keeping the ideas alive.

Expletive Deleted · 03-17-2006, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hobojesus

If you like Indie you'll turn to Britain.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-17-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Expletive Deleted

What I Be Listening To Lately...
The Smiths - Strangeways, Here We Come
Joy Division - Substance
Crass - Stations of the Crass

Expletive Deleted · 03-17-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Hmmm, not sure I recall saying that Britain didn't have any good Indie bands at all.

America has far better Indie bands.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-17-2006, 06:01 PM

Depends what you like I spose.

To me most american indie is still generic guitar rock

~~bungalow~~ · 03-17-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Merkaba

1. I know America does, but it's people like you that have to go hunting for them. You have to want to find them. Those bands don't come looking for you, unlike your major rap artists for example, who knock on your door every 3 minutes. America would be awesome if they could get those guys coming to the fore.

2. Not so much passing, that was probably the wrong word, as it has solid foundations that are probably here to stay. But America has trends. I hope this doesn't come across as too obscure but think of it as avalanches and rivers.

America is the avalanche. As soon as something triggers popularity in the us, the industry is mothered, absolutely mothered with a massive blanket of similar artists. (Eminem and Dre are good examples of this triggering). Once the market is covered in these artists it stays fairly dormant for sometime. Theres some on the side things happening (like the mars volta) but not for a long time does the next Eminem come along. The UK is the river, a steady flow of artists, which may not be as epic as the avalanche, but are consistantly keeping the industry ticking over. Keeping it fresh. Keeping the ideas alive.

I guess that's fair to say.
And to Urban, America has much more than just generic guitar rock.
And North America as a whole has THE MOST incredible indie music scene...IMO

03-17-2006, 02:59 PM	#142 (permalink)
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