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Old 03-18-2006, 02:20 AM   #151 (permalink)
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Merk I see what you mean about Hip-Hop being a phase that America is going through, but to be honest I can't really see it ending.
And Expletive, in my opinion Britain does have the best Indie bands. That's not to take anything away from American Indie bands, but over here in Britain we recognise talent more. Bands can go from being nobody's to stars in the space of a week, all down to their talent. In America you seem to waste the talent that you have, setting them aside to make way for the next generic RnB singer or another one of 50's bull**** songs.
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Old 03-18-2006, 01:50 PM   #152 (permalink)
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Merk I see what you mean about Hip-Hop being a phase that America is going through, but to be honest I can't really see it ending.
And Expletive, in my opinion Britain does have the best Indie bands. That's not to take anything away from American Indie bands, but over here in Britain we recognise talent more. Bands can go from being nobody's to stars in the space of a week, all down to their talent. In America you seem to waste the talent that you have, setting them aside to make way for the next generic RnB singer or another one of 50's bull**** songs.
So just because Britain's famous bands are slightly better than average (c'mon now, The Libertines? Arctic Monkeys? You can't seriously think those bands are better than any American Indie band) that means British bands are better than American ones? The British Indie scene at the moment is full of talentless nu-Britpop bands and Libertines knockoffs. Half the bands that do get famous are really no better than America's popstars and gangsta rappers, the only difference is that British bands are hyped beyond reason and actually play rock music.

Just because the majority of stupid Americans can't recognize that our bands are good, doesn't mean we don't have amazing bands. How much recognition they get says nothing of a band's actual talent.
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Old 03-18-2006, 01:55 PM   #153 (permalink)
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So just because Britain's famous bands are slightly better than average (c'mon now, The Libertines? Arctic Monkeys? You can't seriously think those bands are better than any American Indie band) that means British bands are better than American ones? The British Indie scene at the moment is full of talentless nu-Britpop bands and Libertines knockoffs. Half the bands that do get famous are really no better than America's popstars and gangsta rappers, the only difference is that British bands are hyped beyond reason and actually play rock music.

Just because the majority of stupid Americans can't recognize that our bands are good, doesn't mean we don't have amazing bands.
Well I don`t know about anybody else but I was referring to the last 25 years not just the last couple.Both those bands you mentioned would be very low on my list of 'great indie bands'
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Old 03-18-2006, 01:59 PM   #154 (permalink)
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Well I don`t know about anybody else but I was referring to the last 25 years not just the last couple.Both those bands you mentioned would be very low on my list of 'great indie bands'
As was I when I was when I originally brought it up, but he seems to be talking about current bands.

Is this Brit vs Yanks all-time, or just now? Like I said earlier, all-time it's a draw (depending on what kind of music you prefer, either could win), but right now I'd say America is winning by a long shot.
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Old 03-18-2006, 02:35 PM   #155 (permalink)
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there is no draw, thats a stupid answer thats being used to escape arguing or really thinking about it. and to be honest i see nothing wrong with either of those bands mentioned.
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I just don`t think American indie is that innovative

I mean look at some of the indie movements that came out of North America...

Grunge - Just Black Sabbath riffs with a punk influence
Elephant 6 - Basically rewriting old Beatles/Beach Boys songs
Hardcore/Emo - Basic punk influenced guitar rock when it comes down to it
Post Rock - Nothing more that Krautrock bands & Eno were doing in the 70s
Garage rock - Has been around for decades anyway
Electroclash - Nothing more than rewritten early 80s British synth pop.
Alt Country - Guitar bands playing Country music , thats been done since the 60s.
And the current crop of guitar bands do nothing more than rehash a New Wave/Talking Heads style of music.

Compare that to the best British indie where bands mix & match influences of all different types to create something new.

I`m not saying it doesn`t happen in America , but it happens in Britain a lot more often.
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Old 03-18-2006, 03:10 PM   #157 (permalink)
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I never thought about this. I judge music by its qualities and not by nationalities. I don't even chose good music related to an artist or an album. I love a good song ...
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there is no draw, thats a stupid answer thats being used to escape arguing or really thinking about it. and to be honest i see nothing wrong with either of those bands mentioned.
The two countries are evenly matched, what's the problem with that? I'm not "escaping" the argument, I thought about it for a while and decided that there are a lot of things I like about both countries. But if you really want me to choose, I'll pick the US.

And the two bands I mentioned are boring, derivative, and generic.

Urban, besides completely ignoring some of the US' best and most experimental bands, all genres can be just as easily simplified as you just did so that really says nothing about American Indie at all. Most of those were hardly Indie "movements," anyways.
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Urban, besides completely ignoring some of the US' best and most experimental bands
Well who?

If there are any around i`ve certainly not heard them lately , like I said i`m not saying there isn`t any around i`m saying that if they were British they would have a lot more attention more quickly because the British music industry and British audiences are more open to it.Which was the basis of my original post anyway.
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So just because Britain's famous bands are slightly better than average (c'mon now, The Libertines? Arctic Monkeys? You can't seriously think those bands are better than any American Indie band) that means British bands are better than American ones? The British Indie scene at the moment is full of talentless nu-Britpop bands and Libertines knockoffs. Half the bands that do get famous are really no better than America's popstars and gangsta rappers, the only difference is that British bands are hyped beyond reason and actually play rock music.

Just because the majority of stupid Americans can't recognize that our bands are good, doesn't mean we don't have amazing bands. How much recognition they get says nothing of a band's actual talent.
Artic Monkeys are better than most popular american indie bands i can think of, especialy that godawful disgrace to music Modest Mouse, also Bright Eyes (very overrated, no offense Misfits ) and Interpol...

I think its close between the UK and US, theres a lot of great modern music out today, from both sides of the atlantic...UK have Radiohead, Oasis, Blur, Muse, MSP, Cooper Temple Clause, Super Furry Animals, The Verve, Mogwai, PJ Harvey, Stereophonics and Artic Monkeys and the US have The Flaming Lips, The White Stripes, The Mars Volta, My Morning Jacket, Rilo Kiley, Beck, Wilco, Explosions In The Sky, Neutral Milk Hotel,The Strokes and Tool.

As for Canada, i think Murder Junkie is very wrong, theres already some great bands coming out of Canada, primarly The Arcade Fire, New Pornographers and Godspeed You! Black Emperor...Those 3 more than make up for Nickelback.
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