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Old 03-18-2006, 03:47 PM   #161 (permalink)
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The two countries are evenly matched, what's the problem with that? I'm not "escaping" the argument, I thought about it for a while and decided that there are a lot of things I like about both countries. But if you really want me to choose, I'll pick the US.

And the two bands I mentioned are boring, derivative, and generic.

Urban, besides completely ignoring some of the US' best and most experimental bands, all genres can be just as easily simplified as you just did so that really says nothing about American Indie at all. Most of those were hardly Indie "movements," anyways.
the problem is it would be impossible to draw the line at a point in which you can say theyre just as good, so you'd have to pick a side or just not discuss it, if you don't want to debate it then why even post in the first place? to irritate urban?
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Old 03-18-2006, 03:48 PM   #162 (permalink)
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I think its close between the UK and US, theres a lot of great modern music out today, from both sides of the antlantic...UK have Radiohead, Oasis, Blur, Muse, MSP, Cooper Temple Clause, Super Furry Animals, The Verve, Mogwai, PJ Harvey, Stereophonics and Artic Monkeys and the US have The Flaming Lips, The White Stripes, The Mars Volta, My Morning Jacket, Rilo Kiley, Beck, Wilco, Explosions In The Sky, Neutral Milk Hotel,The Strokes and Tool.
You know it`s funny but virtually all the British bands you mentioned there have had either No 1 albums or singles here (with a couple of exceptions).

I imagine thats not true of the U.S. artists you listed over there
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You know it`s funny but virtually all the British bands you mentioned there have had either No 1 albums or singles here (with a couple of exceptions).

I imagine thats not true of the U.S. artists you listed over there
Thats because most americans have really sh*tty taste in music, hell James Blunt is selling more records than anybody at the moment, and that guy just plain sucks.

Record sales dosent automaticly make a band better, you obviously know this, unless you think Journey are a better band than Echo And The Bunnymen.
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Well who?

If there are any around i`ve certainly not heard them lately , like I said i`m not saying there isn`t any around i`m saying that if they were British they would have a lot more attention more quickly because the British music industry and British audiences are more open to it.Which was the basis of my original post anyway.
I think Britain benefits from being a much smaller country than the US. Here things that are wildly popular in one part of the nation could be completely unknown elsewhere. I don't know if this happens in the UK as well (it probably does), but in a country so large it's much more apparent.

As for British audiences being more open to new things, it's no surprise that America is a much more conservative nation. Not just in regards to religion or politics or anything like that, most Americans don't like change at all, even in things like music. Where British music as a whole is constantly changing, American movements happen on a much smaller scale, and usually don't reach the mainstream. This makes it appear as if American music is stagnant, when it's really not. Even in Indie, it would some that 80s influenced and Garage-ish bands are still the big thing, when Indie is leaning further and further towards being more experimental. Noise is getting bigger, Indie Rock is generally less "boring" (even I'll admit that a majority of Indie Rock bands are boring as hell), more Americans are embracing music from outside North America and the UK, etc.
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Record sales dosent automaticly make a band better, you obviously know this, unless you think Journey are a better band than Echo And The Bunnymen.
No no i`m just saying what i`ve always said , that Britain seems more open to newer music than the U.S.

Actually in an ironic kind of way at the moment No 2 in the British singles chart is Orson , an American 'indie' band that have done f*ck all in their own country.Following a long tradition of American acts coming to the UK to get noticed first because their own country doesn`t (Hendrix , Pixies , Pavement , White Stripes etc etc)
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Plus you brits probably dont have to put up with sh*tty yet popular nu metal and pop punk bands quite as much as we do.

Plus im sure british radio dosent just play Puddle Of Mudd, Three Doors Down and Nickelback all day.
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No no i`m just saying what i`ve always said , that Britain seems more open to newer music than the U.S.

Actually in an ironic kind of way at the moment No 2 in the British singles chart is Orson , and American 'indie' band that have done f*ck all in their own country.Following a long tradition of American acts coming to the UK to get noticed first because their own country doesn`t (Hendrix , Pixies , Pavement , White Stripes etc etc)
I know what you mean, promoting good music is much more dificult in the US, but that dosent paticularly mean there are more good UK bands than US bands.
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Artic Monkeys are better than most popular american indie bands i can think of, especialy that godawful disgrace to music Modest Mouse, also Bright Eyes (very overrated, no offense Misfits ) and Interpol...
Modest Mouse are great, as anyone who has heard more than "Float On" will tell you. Then again, you named The White Stripes, The Mars Volta, Rilo Kiley, The Strokes and Tool for the US side, all subpar or slightly better than average bands.

Arctic Monkeys are only marginally better than Bright Eyes, whom I hate with a passion. Not as good as MM or Interpol, though.

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As for Canada, i think Murder Junkie is very wrong, theres already some great bands coming out of Canada, primarly The Arcade Fire, New Pornographers and Godspeed You! Black Emperor...Those 3 more than make up for Nickelback.
One of those bands makes up for Nickelback, and a million other crappy bands out of Canada.
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the problem is it would be impossible to draw the line at a point in which you can say theyre just as good, so you'd have to pick a side or just not discuss it, if you don't want to debate it then why even post in the first place? to irritate urban?
I am debating it. I'm just not thinking in terms of black and white.
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Old 03-18-2006, 04:10 PM   #170 (permalink)
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i thought you wanted to leave it as a draw earlier? if that's not black and white i don't know what is..
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