Album Wars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Violent & Funky · 07-20-2010, 01:07 AM

Hows about a new battle, eh?

Seltzer · 07-20-2010, 01:13 AM

boo boo against whom?

Unknown Soldier · 07-20-2010, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Oh great now we're writing off Tales From Topographic Oceans without actually listening to that one too eh?

You're annoying and I don't like you. Tales is a great album and one of Yes's best works, I can understand why people don't like it but don't f*cking talk sh*t about it if you haven't heard it and just want to ape popular consensus.

Yes DO have some really bad stuff but Tales isn't among them. You want a bad Yes album try Big Generator. I love most of their prog stuff, but the pop stuff started out good and veered off into self parody pretty fast.

I always liked "Big Generator" a more straight up rock album, but I can certainly see Yes fans not seeing eye to eye with it. Its got Trevor Rabin`s mark all over it as well. If memory serves me right Jon Anderson departed the band soon after for the second time!

"Tales From Topographic Oceans" along with "Relayer" (despite being much shorter) were big ambitious projects and extremely overblown but usually loved by Yes and prog fans in general. But they`re certainly not the type of albums, I would suggest to anybody looking to get into prog!!! On that note I would neither suggest Jethro Tull`s "Thick as a Brick" nor "Passion Play" and neither Genesis "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" along with most of the Canterbury scene. All this stuff should come once somebody has eased themselves into the genre with more accessible stuff.

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Originally Posted by Seltzer

boo boo against whom?

Anybody anti-prog.

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

81 minutes seems really painful, reading Urban's minute by minute review exhausted me. Never mind listening to the actual album. I actually believe listening to all 81 minutes would make me lose the will to live.

I don't want to ape the popular consensus at all you fool. I've never even heard of the album before it was suggested to me. I thought it was a classic in the genre of progressive rock at first. I have no idea what the consensus is, unless we're talking about the consensus of people on here.

It's 2-1 to people who dislike it.

And I'm going to make this perfectly clear, I am NOT listening to another pretentious, self indulgent Progressive Rock record just so I can say for sure 'yeah, that's bad. I don't like that.' 81 minutes of progressive rock SEEMS horrible, I bet the realities are far worse. I'm sick of listening to Progressive Rock albums just so I can judge them on their own merits. I'm done with it. You can't say I haven't tried the genre, because I have. I've just reached the point where I'm f*cking sick of it.

If ever you decided to do a U-Turn start with the "Yes Album" very accessible and a great album. Also King Crimson`s "In The Court of the Crimson King" an album often described as heavy mental and in many ways the most influential prog album ever recorded IMO. Also try the King Crimson trilogy of "Larks Tongues in Aspic" "Starless and Bible Black" and "Red" one of the greatest albums ver recorded IMO. And then of course there is the discography of Pink Floyd..........

What do you think of modern prog? Stuff like Porcupine Tree, Mars Volta, Radiohead and Muse etc I know some of it is passed of as art rock or alternative rock bollocks and even under the moniker of New Prog but I still think of these bands as prog.

boo boo · 07-20-2010, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

"Tales From Topographic Oceans" along with "Relayer" (despite being much shorter) were big ambitious projects and extremely overblown but usually loved by Yes and prog fans in general. But they`re certainly not the type of albums, I would suggest to anybody looking to get into prog!!! On that note I would neither suggest Jethro Tull`s "Thick as a Brick" nor "Passion Play" and neither Genesis "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" along with most of the Canterbury scene. All this stuff should come once somebody has eased themselves into the genre with more accessible stuff.

Yes fans (me included) tend to think very highly of Relayer.

Tales for a long time has always had mixed reception with fans, people love it or hate it. I consider it the album that seperates the casual fan from the hardcore.

Thick as a Brick and Lamb are great but certainly not starter albums for people getting into prog.

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If ever you decided to do a U-Turn start with the "Yes Album" very accessible and a great album. Also King Crimson`s "In The Court of the Crimson King" an album often described as heavy mental and in many ways the most influential prog album ever recorded IMO. Also try the King Crimson trilogy of "Larks Tongues in Aspic" "Starless and Bible Black" and "Red" one of the greatest albums ver recorded IMO. And then of course there is the discography of Pink Floyd..........

King Crimson are probably the most inaccessible of all the big prog bands. I'd say start with stuff The Court or Red or Discipline. Larks and Starless are great but they are definitely not starter albums.

[qupte]What do you think of modern prog? Stuff like Porcupine Tree, Mars Volta, Radiohead and Muse etc I know some of it is passed of as art rock or alternative rock bollocks and even under the moniker of New Prog but I still think of these bands as prog.[/QUOTE]

I consider PT and TMV prog without a doubt, Radiohead I can never really make up my mind on, they do have stuff I consider prog. Muse is more like prog pop or something, Origin of Symmetry was quite proggy but they got more pop sounding as they went along.

Unknown Soldier · 07-20-2010, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

King Crimson are probably the most inaccessible of all the big prog bands. I'd say start with stuff The Court or Red or Discipline. Larks and Starless are great but they are definitely not starter albums.

Inacessible to a degree.....but the Robert Fripp, John Wetton and Bill Bruford trio is probably THE KC LINE-UP of excellence and the suggested trio of albums were a big influence on non-prog bands, of which Nirvana strongly come to mind. I find these albums especially "Red" to have an atmosphere and tension almost unsurpassed, that anybody seriously into music in general could listen to and enjoy. I don`t find them inacessible to a receptive listener, as I would by stuff like Yes or ELP for example. Hell.......anybody that appreciates breathtaking guitar work cannot fail to be impressed by Fripp on these albums.

Saying all this, I wouldn`t hand somebody the complete KC discography as that would be inacessible and not a great starter group either. I`d hand them Pink Floyd instead, not that Pink Floyd are necessarily easy going either, but most people are familiar with a some of their work anyway.

boo boo · 07-20-2010, 04:18 AM

I find Red pretty accessible but Larks and Starless are more challenging and avant garde, I see those taking a little more time to get into.

And I actually think KC have the most consistantly good lineup of any prog band, maybe any band period with a discography of over a dozen albums. Their worst album is still decent.

Violent & Funky · 07-22-2010, 08:47 PM

Tired of waiting so I'll just post the battle I sent Boo Boo:

311 - Grassroots (1994)

vs

Incubus - S.C.I.E.N.C.E. (1997)

debaserr · 07-22-2010, 09:12 PM

well science is probably better than anything 311 ever released so INCUBUS.

**Janszoon** · 07-22-2010, 09:15 PM

S.C.I.E.N.C.E. 2
Grassroots 0

Violent & Funky · 07-23-2010, 12:06 AM

I'm tempted to give 311 credit for copying RHCP three years earlier and having a stronger highpoint ('Omaha Stylee' and 'Applied Science'), but S.C.I.E.N.C.E. is more varied and consistently solid. The bridge to 'Certain Shade of Green' =

S.C.I.E.N.C.E. 3
Grassroots 0

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Violent & Funky FUNky Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 2,482	Tired of waiting so I'll just post the battle I sent Boo Boo: *311 - Grassroots* (1994) vs Incubus - S.C.I.E.N.C.E. (1997)** __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/ohio0808 sometimes I don't thrill you sometimes I think I'll kill you just don't let me fuck up will you 'cause when I need a friend it's still you

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07-23-2010, 12:06 AM	#1530 (permalink)
Violent & Funky FUNky Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 2,482	I'm tempted to give 311 credit for copying RHCP three years earlier and having a stronger highpoint ('Omaha Stylee' and 'Applied Science'), but S.C.I.E.N.C.E. is more varied and consistently solid. The bridge to 'Certain Shade of Green' = S.C.I.E.N.C.E. 3 Grassroots 0 __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/ohio0808 sometimes I don't thrill you sometimes I think I'll kill you just don't let me fuck up will you 'cause when I need a friend it's still you