Unpopular Music Opinions

**Frownland** · 08-19-2016, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

Huh. Can I see the music notation for this?

PM me your email address.

JGuy Grungeman · 08-19-2016, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

Maybe I'm being a dick just to have a more fun discussion, but I guess I could defend it by saying that punk was born out of a more ideological motivation, while Green Day seems pretty much like a parallel to Blink-182 and Weezer or something. There's nothing dangerous and "real" about them. Especially not since they released American Idiot.
Maybe they really are punk, but then they're punk without the punk ethos.

A: I think the influence of various bands from 1977 such as Sex Pistols and Wire helped to form a straight forward sound for punk. A good modern example would be... Ah! Night Birds.
B: I think Green Day started out as punk, but later steered into alternative.

~~MicShazam~~ · 08-19-2016, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

A: I think the influence of various bands from 1977 such as Sex Pistols and Wire helped to form a straight forward sound for punk. A good modern example would be... Ah! Night Birds.
B: I think Green Day started out as punk, but later steered into alternative.

I haven't listened to much old punk music, but I've listened to a lot of Patti Smith. She's often referred to as the mother of punk. I don't know how accurate that is.

Neapolitan · 08-19-2016, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

I haven't listened to much old punk music, but I've listened to a lot of Patti Smith. She's often referred to as the mother of punk. I don't know how accurate that is.

Well it was her on stage persona and all. Michael Stipe is a real big fan of hers.

Dylstew · 08-19-2016, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

I loved Dookie when I was younger. Then I watched the evolution of the band over time and I felt dirty when near their records. **** commercial band. 40 year old douches trying to actively appeal to 15 year olds. Lame. I'm done with them. Britney Spears has more musical credibility.

Punk is counter culture, Green Day is about as counter cultural as McDonalds.

It's the sound (sound of the instruments, riffing style, type of melodies), etc that make me find their earlier stuff pop punk. It's poppier punk rock, it's punk. It is musically at least very similar to punk, at least. Anything outside the music has nothing do with why I think it's punk. Just because you find it awful (I find it meh generally) doesn't mean it's not punk. Just because it sounds different from the traditional stylr doesn't mean it's not punk. Just because it doesn't subscribe to the punk subculture ideals doesn't mean they don't make punk songs. **** the elitism.

It's not Green Day I've been defending elphenor. i don't give a **** about them, it's the elitism on what is and isn't punk, where people consider incredibly similar bands not Punk and some very different bands punk for some arbitrary reason.

I like Punk, from Iggy Pop to Stiff Little Fingers to Minor Threat to Charles Bronson to the Flatliners to a ****ing okay Green Day song. I'd like some sort of vareity in my favourite big genre.

Also, hip hop had a counter culture too. Does it not have a sound either?

Neapolitan · 08-19-2016, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

I loved Dookie when I was younger. Then I watched the evolution of the band over time and I felt dirty when near their records. **** commercial band. 40 year old douches trying to actively appeal to 15 year olds. Lame. I'm done with them. Britney Spears has more musical credibility.

Punk is counter culture, Green Day is about as counter cultural as McDonalds.

I was one of those out-door concert festivals and saw Green Day play. Billie Joe was flirtin with someone 15 in the audience. So yes he is douchey and goes after 15 year olds.

~~MicShazam~~ · 08-19-2016, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylstew

Just because it doesn't subscribe to the punk subculture ideals doesn't mean they don't make punk songs. **** the elitism.

Hmmm... well... yeah.... allright, I can see that. Green Day being plastic garbage (not to mention mid to late era Offspring!) doesn't mean it's not punk, I guess, but who really decides what the essence of a genre is?

Blank. · 08-19-2016, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

Hmmm... well... yeah.... allright, I can see that. Green Day being plastic garbage (not to mention mid to late era Offspring!) doesn't mean it's not punk, I guess, but who really decides what the essence of a genre is?

The issue I have with the whole punk is an attitude is right in the name.

Punk rock

The name indicates that it's a subgenres of rock.

Except the attitude everyone keeps going on about doesn't indicate that in order to have the attitude you have to play rock music. You could have that attitude and be writing pop songs, or funk songs, or country songs. Yet the name indicates that it's rock.

**Frownland** · 08-19-2016, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

The issue I have with the whole punk is an attitude is right in the name.

Punk rock

The name indicates that it's a subgenres of rock.

Except the attitude everyone keeps going on about doesn't indicate that in order to have the attitude you have to play rock music. You could have that attitude and be writing pop songs, or funk songs, or country songs. Yet the name indicates that it's rock.

Have you heard Death Grips? I'd say their album Exmilitary is pretty punk.

Blank. · 08-19-2016, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Have you heard Death Grips? I'd say their album Exmilitary is pretty punk.

That was one of the albums suggested in my workout music thread. I've been meaning to listen to it, but I haven't done a workout where I can listen to music since my last review in that thread.

And are you saying the genre is punk or it has the punk attitude.