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OccultHawk 11-11-2019 03:30 PM

Musicians shouldn’t get royalties. No one should be able to own sound vibrations.

Chula Vista 11-11-2019 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 2089530)
Metallica had an issue with Napster.

Metallica really blew it with how they chose to approach the issue - they tried playing victims and it backfired for a number of reasons.

1) Their reputation was as bad asses so the whining looked so wrong.
2) The were the biggest and richest band in the world at the time.
3) This spread like wildfire and made them look 10x worse.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6udST6lbE

ziggywas 11-12-2019 06:10 AM

OH i didnt need the links to know that pearl jam were millionaires. ithought noone else did.
ok i m going to try to rephrase the whole thing.
So, Pearl Jam back in 94-95 were making millions upon millions for their multinational label and were also millionaires themselves.
they were in the commercial top shelf of rok bands along with REM, RHCP, Smashing Pumpkins, metallica nothing else comes to mind, anyway a handful of bands.

So operating in a corporate environment and while making big dollars, they decided to start a crusade against the sole player in the selling-tickets-for-arena-concerts. They thought that this middleman took a very hefty share of the tickets price, and that it was ableto do so by taking advantage of its role in the market (the monopoly role actually) they hoped that in this way they could lower ticket prices around 20% (thats a rough number but i dont feel like searching it, correct me if i m wrong) without lowering they price that ended in their share (i am not sure about that also but it dont matter, i have no reason to question it)
of course this would be a popular move amongst music fans and musicians. At the same time going after such a big prey involved great and obvious risk that they willingly took.

nobody else in the same business stood by them ( i think REM were in it at the beginning but shortly after backed up (?)) a fact that i think highlights the dangers involved in such a fight. Pearl Jam cancelled a tour (and lost big money from that) spend 1-2 years in courts, congress hearings and so on and eventually lost. all this happenned in the mid 90s so i guess OH that it wont be apparrent in 2019 ticket prices. Pearl Jam are still millionaires.

To me this whole thing they started was admirable and i give them big credit for that.
there are other musicians i give credit to or even, in other cases, admire for non-musical reasons, fugazi mentioned above beeing among them.


ps. hey weres OH?

Chula Vista 11-12-2019 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2089723)
Metallica and Prince both made pointless music

Define pointed music please.

grindy 11-12-2019 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2089756)
call of the wild for weirdo existentialists

music sucks otherwise

You are not weird and you are no existentialist.

Chula Vista 11-12-2019 08:52 AM

Everyone knows that Nietzsche went ****ing mental, right?

Frownland 11-12-2019 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2089881)
it's annoying when someone says "make your own meaning" too

well **** if I had one in mind Id not be an existentialist

Pretty sure that the idea of that is to just do whatever you want that you find meaningful as opposed to following your preferred meaning as a doctrine but don't let that stop you from self-aggrandized moping.

Frownland 11-12-2019 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2089883)
suppose you find nothing meaningful?

Either reconsider how you define meaning or just sit with your arms crossed until it's over.

Chula Vista 11-12-2019 04:01 PM

Good lord.

Frownland 11-12-2019 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2089888)
the existentialist would like to do this

Ok boomer.

I always found existentialism to be liberating. There's no meaning to any of this **** so quit fretting about it and hit this blunt.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 2089891)
Good lord.

I don't think religion is the answer either.


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