Necromancer

Suggesting Beyonce and Gaga are Icons of their time and era is understandable.

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YorkeDaddy

Just dropping in to say "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" is one of the most raved and acclaimed albums ever made by anyone.

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I see the white glove and relying on dancing for the audience's attention as a gimmick. The way I see it when Michael Jackson does something it's genius and innovative but when an artist who you don't like does ANYTHING it's just a cheap marketing gimmick.

What makes you think that there's no impact being made on audiences? Because you don't like the music nobody else can draw inspiration from it?

You said that The Beatles were iconic because people were calling their music "classic" at the time. By that logic, every single one of Kanye's albums are classics. Lookie here: 10 of The Most Classic Hip-Hop Albums Of All Time

Your mentality that everything modern save for two or three artists is **** implies it.

**** me I don't know why I even try sometimes.

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YorkeDaddy

Realtalk doesn't know a damn thing about Kanye, so discussing Kanye with her is like talking to a squirrel

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I also love how she compares Kanye only to other rap artists, when some of his stuff, namely 808s & Heartbreak isn't even rap.

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Soulflower

It is understandable because of their popularity but objectively they have not made any iconic albums or iconic performances that has reasonated with audiences.

I don't think popularity automatically makes someone an "Icon"

Sequoioideae

Regardless of what "shoegazers" feel, "Mirror" by Flying Saucer Attack is an amazing album. Full of droney DnB tracks, finger picked guitar whispers, and glissendo guitar pieces. It's amazing.

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Ninetales

This is the exact opposite of what objectivity means.

Soulflower

In the late 70's and early 80's Michael did not dance with back up dancers in his performances. That started with the BAD album.

So how was he selling a gimmick when he did not become a superstar by using backup dancers?

I strictly used that Motown 25 performance as an example of an iconic performance. WE ALL know and have seen that performance. He did not rely on the glove and hat for ALL his performances because he continued to enhance his performances throughout his career.

I am trying to figure out what exactly are you trying to compare.

What are you trying to compare to Michael Jackson?

So far you have not made any sort of comparison and instead attacked my fandom for MJ.

How is Beyonce and Gaga not a gimmick or PR machines?

What Iconic performances do they have since you insisted they have some?

How are they similar to MJ?

You need to support your opinion with explanations and facts instead of giving labels.



This is not about drawing inspiration. This is simply an observation. Most of the music, performances and singers out today are fast food machines made for quick bucks.

The reason why I say they are not icons is because they are not making any significant impacts on the industry like the previous icons of previous eras


They don't have lasting impacts. Of course there are people who may like them but in my opinion nothing they are doing is iconic or legendary for the reasons that I stated.


I did not say that. I said that in rebuttal to your post in which you said nobody in the 60's called the Beatles music classic or legendary. The Beatles made innovative changes to the music industry. It makes sense that the people of their era would call them legends despite their youth.




You misinterpreted my last post. I never implied any of the sort. The people determine a piece of music as classic not record companies or PR machines.

Is everything okay? You seem angry.

Soulflower

So if Kanye is not a rap artist what type of artist is he?

He is a very experimental artist, yes but he mostly makes rap/hip hop music.