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~~Soulflower~~ · 03-10-2014, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Yes you did, look

This is typical of the kind of rubbish you spew, you've tied yourself in so many knots you don't even realise what point you're trying to make half the time.

Urban I am lost.

Where in that post did I say that a banned song never goes to number one?

I was referring to a song or album selling not chart positions.

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

I say banning records gives artists publicity and can sometimes cause an increase in sales.

And I never disagreed with that because that is true in some cases

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

You then tell me they'd have to be an established act for that to happen.

I give you several examples of times that hasn't been the case and your counter to that is to say 'Well it didn't when it happened to Michael Jackson' as if that negates my point in some way.

Pathetic.

No it is not pathetic because I NEVER denied that in some cases a banned song can still go to number one.

When I made that statement, I was referring to single/ album sells not chart positions. You took that as me referring to chart positions
Yes, chart positions is also influenced by sells BUT not all the time. There are alot of singles that went to number one that did not sell a lot and vice versa.

I was not referring to specific chart positions when I made that comment.

I did not mention a song not going to number one on the charts.

I specifically said sells in that post.

ONCE AGAIN, MJ's single did not go to number one but the album still sold alot because he was an established artist now of course this is not the case ALL THE TIME. However, in most cases that is the case.

Maybe I could have been more clearer but I never said a banned song could not go to number one on the charts.

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Sex Pistols first single got to No 1 because it was banned, so did Frankie Goes To Hollywood's first single. Alice Cooper's Schools Out was banned that was his first hit, before that they were just a cult band who'd never had any exposure outside the U.S. The Pogues, Fairytale of New York was banned until 2007. They became a household name because of that song, before that only moderately popular in their own genre and in the indie press.

I could go on.

That Sex Pistols song did not go to No. 1. It went to No. 2. The NME (stands for New Musical Express) it is a "british journal news publication" that discusses music and they ranked the song at number one in their journal. There the British "Rolling Stones magazine" for example

BUT they are not the official UK album or singles chart.

The official UK singles chart ranked the song at No. 2.

The single itself did not sell alot.

Also

Alice Cooper School's Out was not a banned song at the time of its released and before its released. Also, They have had singles before that song that charted on the US Hot Billboard 100 chart. So they were known in the US before the single. That single made them superstars but they were known in the US because they have singles that charted on the chart before School's Out.

I can not find any information suggesting that song being banned at the time of its release. So not a good example

That Pogues song was not banned. They asked if they could change one word in the song but they did not ban the song. It was not banned before it was released and it was not banned at the time of its release. So not a good example.

Frankie Goes to Hollywood song is the most accurate one but I researched more on that song and that song did not initially go to number one. It took a while for that song to go to number one. When I made my statement I was not referring to ALL established or non established acts but was referring to "most cases". I noticed I did not put most cases but that was what I was referring to.

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-10-2014, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

From the Gallup chart which was the official one used in the UK by the BBC who did the only chart rundown on the radio or TV....

The NME from what I have read on most information that talks about this is the only journal that ranked it at number one (and that is not the official chart) at the time of its released and the UK official singles chart ranked it at no 2.

The Official UK Singles Chart ranked it at no. 2 at the time of its released (1977).

The UK Singles Chart did not become apart of the Gallup Organization until 1983. It probably went to no. 1 based off the new criteria of how songs get charted during that year. The chart was based entirely on sales at that point.

However

The God Save The Queen single was released in 1977.

The Uk Singles chart was not associated with Gallup in 1977.

All the charts at the time of its released have it peaking at no 2 at the time of its released in 1977.

It was a banned song which is why it doesn't appear on the 1983 revision.

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-10-2014, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Oh brother! The whole color blind thing and "oh I don't see color is just as problematic and real broke down exactly why. It chooses to ignore different cultures.

You heavily implied that listening to REAL hip hop is basically only hip hop that covers policitical issues that's why I brought up conscious hip hop. Hip Hop history wasn't created on only conscious songs and political issues.

The hip hop in parties and clubs was not created that way. What struggles and tribulations were being described in Rapper's Delight?

No I did not

I said that Hip Hop is a culture within itself and was ORIGINALLY created as an OUTLET for African Americans more specifically BLACK YOUTH. Theoretically it was a type of backlash from the institutionalize oppression they endured. I ALSO said there are MANY sub genres within Hip Hop. However, this is why Hip Hop was originally created regardless whether hip hop starting out being conscious or not.

The beat boxing and the break dancing for instance was ALL created as a result of this.

Is this conscious?

No

Does it deal with politics?

No

But it was something that the urban black children used and created as an outlet for their underprivileged class.

jorby · 03-10-2014, 02:57 PM

The Beatle's are all-right. I don't really care for Zeplin. Those seem pretty intense....

FRED HALE SR. · 03-10-2014, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

Superunknown is one of the most boring albums I've ever heard.
That album alone was responsible for making me realise grunge was dead and it was time to move on.

Vitalogy and Jar Of Flies came out the same year just saying. It wasn't that album alone.

djchameleon · 03-10-2014, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

No I did not

I said that Hip Hop is a culture within itself and was ORIGINALLY created as an OUTLET for African Americans more specifically BLACK YOUTH. Theoretically it was a type of backlash from the institutionalize oppression they endured. I ALSO said there are MANY sub genres within Hip Hop. However, this is why Hip Hop was originally created regardless whether hip hop starting out being conscious or not.

The beat boxing and the break dancing for instance was ALL created as a result of this.

Is this conscious?

No

Does it deal with politics?

No

But it was something that the urban black children used and created as an outlet for their underprivileged class.

Why do you feel like that doesn't exist today? Hip Hop evolved from that former culture that you like to hold on a pedestal.

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-10-2014, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rjinn

No, certain kinds of content in hip-hop music radio or not.

Outlash - Outburst, a strike or simply "lash out."

Okay, to break it down simply, an example:

Again, I'm talking about content in music, not actually what they did.

That is partially why Hip Hop was created.

It was created as a semi backlash because of the socioeconomically dynamic of the system and African Americans are way at the bottom as well as Mexicans, Latinos etc.

The lyrics in those songs, style of dress, demeanor, attitude etc is used as a "defense mechanism" against the system and society.

Trust me hun, being hanged, lynched, rapped, stabbed, degraded, and ridiculed by white people for over 500 years is nothing compared to a couple of curse words in a song. Not saying it is right but just saying....

When you understand that, you will understand why rappers wrote songs like this during this time.

~~Soulflower~~ · 03-10-2014, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Why do you feel like that doesn't exist today? Hip Hop evolved from that former culture that you like to hold on a pedestal.

It did not evolve... it got stolen.

djchameleon · 03-10-2014, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

It did not evolve... it got stolen.

You choose to ignore the evolution then so be it. Instead of break dancing which young still do. There is more emphasis on different forms of dance like Krumping and foot working that young kids use to channel the negativity in their environment.

**Janszoon** · 03-10-2014, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

Vitalogy and Jar Of Flies came out the same year just saying. It wasn't that album alone.

Jar of Flies is the best thing AiC ever released.

03-10-2014, 02:57 PM	#7984 (permalink)
jorby Groupie Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Prescott, AZ Posts: 6	The Beatle's are all-right. I don't really care for Zeplin. Those seem pretty intense....