Unpopular Music Opinions

Rjinn · 07-11-2012, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Bah. Horseshit is just second wave post-bullshitcore watered down for the masses.

Which were pioneered and revolutionalized by classic heavy proto-metal Dogsh it.

Howard the Duck · 07-11-2012, 09:18 AM

all are under the penumbra of crapcore

Paedantic Basterd · 07-11-2012, 09:43 AM

I find that a lot of child-sub-genres sound arbitrary until you listen to enough albums that fall within them that you can distinguish their features. It's only out of hand when they're created to encompass a whole two or three artists.

Rjinn · 07-11-2012, 10:18 AM

I feel all these labels and eternal sub genres take away the quality in music.

**Janszoon** · 07-11-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rjinnx

I feel all these labels and eternal sub genres take away the quality in music.

How so?

Rjinn · 07-11-2012, 10:36 AM

Fair enough, it's a way to musically communicate. But the more you label the more you will just break it down. Instead of listening to the whole piece being what it is.

**Janszoon** · 07-11-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rjinnx

Fair enough, it's a way to musically communicate. But the more you label the more you will just break it down. Instead of listening to the whole piece being what it is.

I think it's more about ease of communication. The music is already made, I'm just looking for an easy way to describe it to someone. If I'm talking to a fellow metal fan I could say "this band is really slow and heavy, with minimal drumming and vocals and very low and fuzzy bass and guitar played sort of in the tradition of Black Sabbath but much more experimental sounding in a sort of syrupy ambient way" or I could say "this is a drone/doom band". I think option B is a little easier. I don't think that diminishes the music in any way.

Rjinn · 07-11-2012, 11:48 AM

There is nothing wrong with explanations, otherwise there would be no point having a forum. I'm not against it. It's just lot of the times it ruins the element of surprise the further you nitpick every little part of it. Great Band here is a black death metal prog band reggae bass and shredding guitars drabble drumming nu metal style with punk effects blah blah. I find it can set you up for disappointment, or yes better than you expect from an already created picture. The later part can be good. Like I said, I find more quality hearing the piece as it is, enjoying it instead of focusing on puzzle fitting it in specific places which could possibly turn it redundant. The focus and originality is taken away from the actual music.

I'm a culprit of that sometimes, so I still reap the negatives.

**Janszoon** · 07-11-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rjinnx

There is nothing wrong with explanations, otherwise there would be no point having a forum. I'm not against it. It's just lot of the times it ruins the element of surprise the further you nitpick every little part of it. Great Band here is a black death metal prog band reggae bass and shredding guitars drabble drumming nu metal style with punk effects blah blah. I find it can set you up for disappointment, or yes better than you expect from an already created picture. The later part can be good. Like I said, I find more quality hearing the piece as it is, enjoying it instead of focusing on puzzle fitting it in specific places which could possibly turn it redundant. The focus and originality is taken away from the actual music.

I'm a culprit of that sometimes, so I still reap the negatives.

I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying people shouldn't attempt to describe music to each other for fear of creating lofty expectations?

Rjinn · 07-11-2012, 12:27 PM

Not saying people shouldn't express the way they want to express musically. I'm only giving reasons as to why I wouldn't go further and further in which way labelling becomes more and more of central focus as what they will stick to. Coming from an open angle then anything. Continual definitions with orthodox groupings gets boring and overused after a while. Explanations are fine, it's more labelling that's the issue.

Don't really see where fear comes into it.

I don't like music because it's metal. I like it because it's good music.

07-11-2012, 10:18 AM	#7154 (permalink)
Rjinn The Aerosol in your Soul Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New South Wales, Australia Posts: 1,546	I feel all these labels and eternal sub genres take away the quality in music. __________________ last.fm Last edited by Rjinn; 07-11-2012 at 10:34 AM.

07-11-2012, 10:36 AM	#7156 (permalink)
Rjinn The Aerosol in your Soul Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New South Wales, Australia Posts: 1,546	Fair enough, it's a way to musically communicate. But the more you label the more you will just break it down. Instead of listening to the whole piece being what it is. __________________ last.fm

07-11-2012, 11:48 AM	#7158 (permalink)
Rjinn The Aerosol in your Soul Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New South Wales, Australia Posts: 1,546	There is nothing wrong with explanations, otherwise there would be no point having a forum. I'm not against it. It's just lot of the times it ruins the element of surprise the further you nitpick every little part of it. Great Band here is a black death metal prog band reggae bass and shredding guitars drabble drumming nu metal style with punk effects blah blah. I find it can set you up for disappointment, or yes better than you expect from an already created picture. The later part can be good. Like I said, I find more quality hearing the piece as it is, enjoying it instead of focusing on puzzle fitting it in specific places which could possibly turn it redundant. The focus and originality is taken away from the actual music. I'm a culprit of that sometimes, so I still reap the negatives. __________________ last.fm Last edited by Rjinn; 07-11-2012 at 11:58 AM.

07-11-2012, 12:27 PM	#7160 (permalink)
Rjinn The Aerosol in your Soul Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New South Wales, Australia Posts: 1,546	Not saying people shouldn't express the way they want to express musically. I'm only giving reasons as to why I wouldn't go further and further in which way labelling becomes more and more of central focus as what they will stick to. Coming from an open angle then anything. Continual definitions with orthodox groupings gets boring and overused after a while. Explanations are fine, it's more labelling that's the issue. Don't really see where fear comes into it. I don't like music because it's metal. I like it because it's good music. __________________ last.fm

07-11-2012, 09:43 AM	#7153 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	I find that a lot of child-sub-genres sound arbitrary until you listen to enough albums that fall within them that you can distinguish their features. It's only out of hand when they're created to encompass a whole two or three artists.