Unpopular Music Opinions

Neapolitan · 01-01-2018, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Please post something you've done that shows even a hint of Joe Pass influence.

Ever hear the story as to why Pass got so good at improvising?

No.

Lucem Ferre · 01-01-2018, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Machine

Idk if this is an unpopular opinion, but lo-fi indie might just be the most limp wristed annoying genre on the planet. It's a genre full of low talented freakshows who have high ambitions to be these bug rockstars, but are just too damn cool to make anything remotely coherent. Because having conviction in your work is just not ****ing cool anymore, and leaving everything unfinished is. People wonder why rock music is dying and rap is taking over as the cultural zeitgeist, but when the only people doing anything interesting and not just rehashing the tropes that were popular 30 years ago are mucking about making rough demo quality music, just too cool to show any sense of masculinity in their music. Gee I wonder why angry teens don't want to listen to your limp wristed bull**** and instead listen to angry ass unapologetically masculine rap music. Really makes you ****ing think. There are two ways to get rock out of the hole it has dug itself into and that's 1) go the route of jazz and become actual art music, or 2) grow some ****ing balls.

Yes. Nothing inherently wrong with lofi if used right but I agree, I go against the grain on these pretensions 'that's over produced' or 'putting effort into art makes it disingenuous' corn balls.

But to be fair a lot of huge rappers that are blowing up right now do go for a lofi aesthetic and I do enjoy some of them when it's done well. Definitely prefer a much more well polished project though. Seems more heart gets put into things you throw your passion into rather than these half assed after thoughts people make in the moment most of the time.

Edit: Didn't realize this was so far back.

Lisnaholic · 01-01-2018, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Yeah.

The Stones were a fan of the Blues and early Rock n Roll, and I got to know a few artist through their cover-songs e.g. Bo Diddley, Buddy Holly, Robert Johnson, Rufus Thomas, Chuck Berry, and Willie Dixon et al.

^ Yes, the Stones' enthusiasm for those old guys brought them to the attention of a whole new generation.
The acoustic guitar and accordian - sorry concertina- on Back Street Girl are both excellent. Not so sure about the lyrics, tbh

**Frownland** · 01-01-2018, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Is that like Chula getting close McLaughlin or really? If so put something up and prove it.

Frankly, I don’t believe you.

Close like 7 is close to 10.

It's put through a filter of many other styles so it can be hard to hear but tracks like Kerensa have soloing elements that demonstrate how Pass has influenced me.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Please post something you've done that shows even a hint of Joe Pass influence.

Like you'd listen to it lol.

Maajo · 01-01-2018, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Yes. Nothing inherently wrong with lofi if used right but I agree, I go against the grain on these pretensions 'that's over produced' or 'putting effort into art makes it disingenuous' corn balls.

But to be fair a lot of huge rappers that are blowing up right now do go for a lofi aesthetic and I do enjoy some of them when it's done well. Definitely prefer a much more well polished project though. Seems more heart gets put into things you throw your passion into rather than these half assed after thoughts people make in the moment most of the time.

Edit: Didn't realize this was so far back.

There's some real good lo-fi ****. Like old Beck on Mellow Gold and Stereopathetic Soulmanure, but I'm pretty sure that was lo-fi out of necessity because the dude was poor and just making it in the business. There's a charm to it, like if you've ever seen the movie El Mariachi, and it's just so cheaply made but it's really actually just a great movie despite that.

OccultHawk · 01-01-2018, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Please post something you've done that shows even a hint of Joe Pass influence.

I have to say, until shown otherwise I’m going to assume you get much closer to McLaughlin than Frown does to Pass.

Chula Vista · 01-01-2018, 09:38 PM

Even I don't have the gall to put myself and Joe Pass in the same sentence.

Hawk, this jam highlights a bunch of my influences all thrown together.

http://donniebshawn.com/tune1.mp3

**Frownland** · 01-01-2018, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Even I don't have the gall to put myself and Joe Pass in the same sentence.

Not even when saying that Joe Pass influenced you when that's true? You have a lot of rules man.

Anteater · 01-01-2018, 09:51 PM

If I had to worship one guitarist, I think I'll throw in with Jay Graydon. One of a kind.

Chula Vista · 01-01-2018, 09:56 PM

Jay Graydon is great. You must like Ritenour too?

01-01-2018, 09:38 PM	#14587 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Even I don't have the gall to put myself and Joe Pass in the same sentence. Hawk, this jam highlights a bunch of my influences all thrown together. http://donniebshawn.com/tune1.mp3 __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

01-01-2018, 09:56 PM	#14590 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Jay Graydon is great. You must like Ritenour too? __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”