My taste in music is better than yours... (albums, quote)

NoiseNotMusic · 02-02-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by loves2spooge

I feel like the original post was actually not directed towards humans being opinionated as it actually was towards a specific group of people that hold opinions in a specific way. I mean of course everyone will have opinions, and if there were none then the world be pretty lame. Its the fact that when it comes to music some people think that they are damn music missionaries out to change everyone to their own way of thinking. Its the old school "everyone that likes this is conformist so come do exactly as me and my friends do by not liking what everyone else likes to be non-conformist". the truth is that the only way to be non conformist if you really care all that much is to not care at all what anyone else thinks about anything pertaining to your own opinions, and follow only your own uninfluenced choices, which is completely impossible as it is. Music feels a bit like religion because the people that like each music genre either want to convert everyone to their side or conduct a crusade. what happened to the times when people could say they like everything but country and emo?

cos only douchebags can't appreciate old country and oldschool emo was good. your logic = fail

loves2spooge · 02-02-2008, 03:21 PM

yea yea everyone always says they like the old stuff, you know before they "sold out". plus it was kind of obvious that the last line in that post about country and emo was just a joke.

NoiseNotMusic · 02-02-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by loves2spooge

yea yea everyone always says they like the old stuff, you know before they "sold out". plus it was kind of obvious that the last line in that post about country and emo was just a joke.

i know. I am clearly just fucking with you.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-02-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by loves2spooge

I feel like the original post was actually not directed towards humans being opinionated as it actually was towards a specific group of people that hold opinions in a specific way. I mean of course everyone will have opinions, and if there were none then the world be pretty lame. Its the fact that when it comes to music some people think that they are damn music missionaries out to change everyone to their own way of thinking. Its the old school "everyone that likes this is conformist so come do exactly as me and my friends do by not liking what everyone else likes to be non-conformist". the truth is that the only way to be non conformist if you really care all that much is to not care at all what anyone else thinks about anything pertaining to your own opinions, and follow only your own uninfluenced choices, which is completely impossible as it is. Music feels a bit like religion because the people that like each music genre either want to convert everyone to their side or conduct a crusade. what happened to the times when people could say they like everything but country and emo?

Utter crap

In my experience it's the total opposite.

It seems everytime I target a mainstream band for criticism I get the same three stock responses.

1. You're only slagging them off because they're popular & you're just trying to be cool showing off that you like obscure underground bands.

2. You don't know what you're talking about , they rock

3. They've sold *Insert number of millions of albums sold here* so they must be good.

Number 2 of those is my favourite because even though i've listened to the music i'm criticising I still get told this , usually by people who don't listen to anywhere near the number of bands from different genres as I do.

Now is that a snobbish attitude to have?

I don't think so. I must have listened to approx 5000 - 6000 albums in my life from all genres. I also don't discriminate between major labels , indie labels or bands who put out stuff themselves. If I like it I like it , if I don't I don't.I don't do it for 'cool points'. I do it because I love doing it and because it's my passion and it'll take more than some irate U2 or Red Hot Chili Peppers fan to put me off doing so just because I slated the bland shit these bands produce on a regular basis.

Basically if you have sound reasons and enough conviction you can justify listening to ANY band , even bad ones. And yes I listen to plenty.
The only people who can't put up a convincing argument just resort to lazy tactics as seen above or use that perennial favourite "music is subjective anyway". In which case we all may as well pack up & go home now.

tkpb938 · 02-02-2008, 05:43 PM

But music is subjective. I don't really like when people say that a band is **** just because its not particularly their "cup of tea". And unfortunately that seems to happen a lot.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-02-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tkpb938

But music is subjective.

God please don't start this one up again for the 3,987,845th time.
My opinion has always been if a person has to trot out this turd of an answer to justify anything then it does make me wonder why they signed up to discuss & debate music in the first place.

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Originally Posted by tkpb938

I don't really like when people say that a band is **** just because its not particularly their "cup of tea". And unfortunately that seems to happen a lot.

How do you know when they say it's sh*t it is just because it's not their cup of tea?

I can give credit to music I don't like , at the same token everybody knows i'm the biggest Fall fanboy on this damn forum yet i've often called their Cerebral Caustic & Are You The Missing Winner albums total sh*t. And I think there are a lot more people on this forum who have that attitude than the original post gives credit to.

cardboard adolescent · 02-02-2008, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

God please don't start this one up again for the 3,987,845th time.
My opinion has always been if a person has to trot out this turd of an answer to justify anything then it does make me wonder why they signed up to discuss & debate music in the first place.

To find new music in line with their tastes rather
than have to defend the music they already like?

I mean, what if someone forces me to defend my love for
Big Black... they might say "its harsh, cold, abrasive and nihilistic
and its amelodic just a load of noise." I would say sure (for the most part),
but that's why I love them. Everything you say is true,
but for you it makes them "bad" and for me it makes them "good."

This argument should end. Music is subjective. Get over it.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-02-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

To find new music in line with their tastes rather
than have to defend the music they already like?

You can do that without getting drawn into an arguement , i've done it myself plenty of times.

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

I mean, what if someone forces me to defend my love for
Big Black... they might say "its harsh, cold, abrasive and nihilistic
and its amelodic just a load of noise." I would say sure (for the most part),
but that's why I love them. Everything you say is true,
but for you it makes them "bad" and for me it makes them "good."

This argument should end. Music is subjective. Get over it.

And that fact should be apparent to anyone with half a brain , which is why I consider it a lazy cop out.

the-ceej · 02-02-2008, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by achoo

it's like this: i don't know much, very little (sadly) about visual art. i know i sometimes look at something and am blown away and thats all that matters, if the heart is on the canvas i'm game. but if someone who was educated in the world of art wanted to teach me what makes something better by explaining the history of art, different techniques i feel my opinion would change and become more intelligent. (whatever intelligence is, but you know).

same thing goes for food and music.

whether a band is good or not depends on their integrity. what they are trying to achieve. is it creative? does it push the boundaries at all? does it offer anything that another band might not? otherwise, whats the ****ing point?

and thats what makes nickleback bad.

somethign like that anyway. i have difficulty articulating my thoughts. but i'm right nonetheless!!

on a side note: i'm not saying that the arts can be brought down to logic because it is just expression, i just feel some bands and some art are expressing themselves more truly then others. and thus i feel they are better.

So as long as a band is creative, they're good? You really don't care if the music is catchy or anything?

"Yeah that band is so original, I love them... I can't stand listening to them for more than 2 minutes, but they're a great band"

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-02-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by the-ceej

So as long as a band is creative, they're good? You really don't care if the music is catchy or anything?

No it makes them interesting & worthy of my time

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Originally Posted by the-ceej

"Yeah that band is so original, I love them... I can't stand listening to them for more than 2 minutes, but they're a great band"

Just because they are interesting and worthy of my time doesn't automatically make me like them.It just means i'll give them credit for being original.

You never know , a band might take that originality and put their own twist on it that will make me like it. I don't happen to like the Velvet Underground that much however they influenced hundreds of bands that I do like , so I give them credit for that.

02-02-2008, 03:21 PM	#72 (permalink)
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02-02-2008, 05:43 PM	#75 (permalink)
tkpb938 Lvl 70 Troll Hunter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sunny Phoenix Posts: 482	But music is subjective. I don't really like when people say that a band is **** just because its not particularly their "cup of tea". And unfortunately that seems to happen a lot.