The Case For/ The Case Against.. (lyrics, bass, pop, punk)

sweet_nothing · 06-11-2008, 05:49 AM

uhhhh i'm really tired of having to explain this to you guys my itunes doesn't let me import music unless it's from a cd, idk why. It just wont.

Piss Me Off · 06-11-2008, 05:51 AM

Oh well, well i'd youtube some songs if i were you.

ashtray · 06-11-2008, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sweet_nothing

uhhhh i'm really tired of having to explain this to you guys my itunes doesn't let me import music unless it's from a cd, idk why. It just wont.

So then to hell with I-tunes. Get an mp3 application that works for you. I'm not trying be rude because I use I-tunes always have but if it's not working for you then maybe try other applications. It is strange that you say it will not allow you to import music though. With mine it's simple as pie just double click the mp3 and it plays.

sweet_nothing · 06-11-2008, 06:15 AM

well maybe its my computer idk, and honestly it doesnt really bother me that much it makes me appreciate my music more =)

Rainard Jalen · 06-11-2008, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

Case Against

Well it's Nirvana's worst studio album. Gone is the rough, grunge inspired sound of Bleach and in comes a more polished sound which doesn't suit them. Watching live footage of them, even in the Nevermind period, they played loud and sloppily with lots of feedback and distortion and they rocked, all of this is absent in the more user-friendly sheen of this album.
Quite a bit of filler as well, there's nothing wrong with songs like Stay Away and Lounge Act but they're hardly interesting. You could say the same of Bleach but but then its all with that sludgy sound which i prefer far more.

Crikey, Lucas. Where do I start?

1: The polished sound; this sound was always the sound that Nirvana were supposed to have. Cobain's main talent lied in the fact that he could write AWESOME pop punk songs and was a brilliant melodist. He didn't have any great artistic merits beyond that. These were his latent skills that were desperate to be awoken. The band as such was the perfect blueprint for a pop success, and thus the well-produced tight sound was always bound to be theirs. They were nothing as a sludge band. So what if there was lots of "sloppy feedback and distortion" or whatever - they didn't have the songs, and there was little to distinguish them from any of the other bands doing exactly the same thing. Nevermind is the album where they find their own sound and become something worth mentioning.

2: User friendly; of course it's user friendly, it's a pop album. It's aims are totally different to that of Bleach. Bleach was neither user friendly nor worth an awful lot to anybody else. At least in being user friendly they were actually something worth mentioning - something we'd actually be discussing 17 years on (for sure as hell we wouldn't be discussing Bleach Nirvana). Now, I do understand that what you mean is that at gigs they still had a more sludgy, messy sound. But then, I don't think studio recordings and gigs ought to sound the same anyway. Studios give the opportunity to do something different with your sound, and the fact is that everything on Nevermind sounds sharp, refined and good.

3: I don't agree that there is a lot of filler on this album. There are maximally two possible filler tracks: "Stay Away", and "Territorial Pissings", both of which succeed at being listenable and unnecessary to skip. Lounge Act is an excellent song. Go listen to it!

In sum, I do personally prefer In Utero over Nevermind but I'm amazed that people will still try to say that a nothing album of junk like Bleach could be a better studio recording than this, in all its songwriting excellence.

Piss Me Off · 06-11-2008, 12:35 PM

I was waiting for you to show up

1. An interesting point but it's one that, i at least, can't really argue against. I don't know what Kurt wanted Nirvana to be. Obviously the production of Nevermind would never have happened if he didn't approve to some degree but then they went back to a more messy approach of production with In Utero. One thing i do know though is that Bleach definitely had the songs. About a Girl, Love Buzz, Mr Moustache, Swap Meet, all bloody catchy, the production doesn't hinder this at all.

2. I love my pop, but i also love albums that challenge me as well. Bleach is somewhere inbetween (i realise challenging isn't the perfect word here but you get what i mean). I don't care about aims, that's what i like so obviously i'm going to be more attracted to Bleach ('cos it has great songs as well remember).

3. Oooo you're winding me up telling me to listen to songs i've been listening to for years! Lounge Act has no bang, it's them on auto. At least Territorial Pissings was fun. I'm sure it sounds great live but on record naaa.

I still like Nevermind, i just thought it would be more fun to do a case against. It's not as brilliant as everyone thinks, for me at least there are too many little problems.

Rainard Jalen · 06-11-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

I was waiting for you to show up

1. An interesting point but it's one that, i at least, can't really argue against. I don't know what Kurt wanted Nirvana to be. Obviously the production of Nevermind would never have happened if he didn't approve to some degree but then they went back to a more messy approach of production with In Utero. One thing i do know though is that Bleach definitely had the songs. About a Girl, Love Buzz, Mr Moustache, Swap Meet, all bloody catchy, the production doesn't hinder this at all.

2. I love my pop, but i also love albums that challenge me as well. Bleach is somewhere inbetween (i realise challenging isn't the perfect word here but you get what i mean). I don't care about aims, that's what i like so obviously i'm going to be more attracted to Bleach ('cos it has great songs as well remember).

3. Oooo you're winding me up telling me to listen to songs i've been listening to for years! Lounge Act has no bang, it's them on auto. At least Territorial Pissings was fun. I'm sure it sounds great live but on record naaa.

I still like Nevermind, i just thought it would be more fun to do a case against. It's not as brilliant as everyone thinks, for me at least there are too many little problems.

I actually agree that it is not brilliant, but it's still really damn good all the same. And c'mon, I don' care how many times you've listened to lounge act, I'ma keep asking you to listen to it until you like it - because it's the shiz!

jackhammer · 06-13-2008, 02:20 PM

GO:

Piss Me Off · 06-13-2008, 02:49 PM

The one i've been waiting for.

Case For

Right, some points. This is the album from one of the bands in the first wave of British punk. They'd just come off Give Em' Enough Rope which alienated many of their fans and was overall fairly uninspired. The two main members had a relationship which could bust at any point and the drummer was on drugs half the time. This is the time they decide a double album is their best bet. If you were there at the time, you'd have thought this was a silly idea.

And then they write this. One of my main points is that it is a double album. 19 tracks, and every one is absolutely brilliant. Even when the tempo does drop, it's for a song that's inspired and often gorgeous. It flows just right, even between the rockers and the slower ones. Considering it's 2 vinyl's worth of material this is the best album of it's kind.

Another point, look at what they play. Rock, Ska, Reggae, Rockabilly, Piano-led ballads, and that's probably just scratching the surface. There's something for everyone, i bet. The sheer amount of stuff that they tried to do, and succeeded with, is just amazing, considering Paul Simonon for example could barely play bass when they started out. Then he contributes Guns Of Brixton!
Mick Jones and Joe Strummer are as brilliant as ever, Mick controlling the show and Joe writing some brilliant lyrics (the amount of times i've seen people quote Death Or Glory...).

And it's a lovely front cover. Yeah, i like this album.

Son of JayJamJah · 06-13-2008, 05:40 PM

Piss me off covered most of my points but I'll add aa little push.

The main thing for me is how diverse the influence was on this album. So many styles on display and yet as PMO said all 19 tracks flow together and there are very few if any filler tracks.

Great album with a few of, in my opinion, the best punk cuts of the era.

06-11-2008, 05:51 AM	#72 (permalink)
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06-11-2008, 12:35 PM	#76 (permalink)
Piss Me Off Moodswings n' Roundabouts Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: At the corner of Dude and Catastrophe Posts: 4,512	I was waiting for you to show up 1. An interesting point but it's one that, i at least, can't really argue against. I don't know what Kurt wanted Nirvana to be. Obviously the production of Nevermind would never have happened if he didn't approve to some degree but then they went back to a more messy approach of production with In Utero. One thing i do know though is that Bleach definitely had the songs. About a Girl, Love Buzz, Mr Moustache, Swap Meet, all bloody catchy, the production doesn't hinder this at all. 2. I love my pop, but i also love albums that challenge me as well. Bleach is somewhere inbetween (i realise challenging isn't the perfect word here but you get what i mean). I don't care about aims, that's what i like so obviously i'm going to be more attracted to Bleach ('cos it has great songs as well remember). 3. Oooo you're winding me up telling me to listen to songs i've been listening to for years! Lounge Act has no bang, it's them on auto. At least Territorial Pissings was fun. I'm sure it sounds great live but on record naaa. I still like Nevermind, i just thought it would be more fun to do a case against. It's not as brilliant as everyone thinks, for me at least there are too many little problems. __________________ Last FM Rate Yr Music Muxtape

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06-13-2008, 02:49 PM	#79 (permalink)
Piss Me Off Moodswings n' Roundabouts Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: At the corner of Dude and Catastrophe Posts: 4,512	The one i've been waiting for. Case For Right, some points. This is the album from one of the bands in the first wave of British punk. They'd just come off Give Em' Enough Rope which alienated many of their fans and was overall fairly uninspired. The two main members had a relationship which could bust at any point and the drummer was on drugs half the time. This is the time they decide a double album is their best bet. If you were there at the time, you'd have thought this was a silly idea. And then they write this. One of my main points is that it is a double album. 19 tracks, and every one is absolutely brilliant. Even when the tempo does drop, it's for a song that's inspired and often gorgeous. It flows just right, even between the rockers and the slower ones. Considering it's 2 vinyl's worth of material this is the best album of it's kind. Another point, look at what they play. Rock, Ska, Reggae, Rockabilly, Piano-led ballads, and that's probably just scratching the surface. There's something for everyone, i bet. The sheer amount of stuff that they tried to do, and succeeded with, is just amazing, considering Paul Simonon for example could barely play bass when they started out. Then he contributes Guns Of Brixton! Mick Jones and Joe Strummer are as brilliant as ever, Mick controlling the show and Joe writing some brilliant lyrics (the amount of times i've seen people quote Death Or Glory...). And it's a lovely front cover. Yeah, i like this album. __________________ Last FM Rate Yr Music Muxtape

06-13-2008, 05:40 PM	#80 (permalink)
Son of JayJamJah Occams Razor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: End of the Earth Posts: 2,472	Piss me off covered most of my points but I'll add aa little push. The main thing for me is how diverse the influence was on this album. So many styles on display and yet as PMO said all 19 tracks flow together and there are very few if any filler tracks. Great album with a few of, in my opinion, the best punk cuts of the era.