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Old 07-22-2008, 11:41 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Yeah that makes sense because racist music doesn't suck or anything.
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Yeah that makes sense because racist music doesn't suck or anything.
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Old 07-23-2008, 05:18 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Morrissey is either racist or he just has really bad taste in music because he seems to think all black music is "vile".

Though I've never been one to care too much about a songs lyrical content, I do have a problem with this kinda thing. I can accept it from bands like Fear because they do it in a rather goofy, tongue in cheek kinda way.
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Old 07-23-2008, 05:29 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Morrissey is either racist or he just has really bad taste in music because he seems to think all black music is "vile".

Though I've never been one to care too much about a songs lyrical content, I do have a problem with this kinda thing. I can accept it from bands like Fear because they do it in a rather goofy, tongue in cheek kinda way.
In his defense that was only referring to Reggae and he's kind of taken that back now with the whole Attack Records thing.
But yeah, he annoys me when he's that ambiguous about it all, doesn't help him. There's time like The National Front Disco where it's quite clearly satire but then there's songs like Asian Rut where it's less clear. Grr.
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Old 07-23-2008, 05:49 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Moz: "Reggae, for example, is to me the most racist music in the entire world. It's an absolute total glorification of black supremacy... There is a line when defense of one's race becomes an attack on another race and, because of black history and oppression, we realise quite clearly that there has to be a very strong defence. But I think it becomes very extreme sometimes."
"But, ultimately, I don't have very cast iron opinions on black music other than black modern music which I detest. I detest Stevie Wonder. I think Diana Ross is awful. I hate all those records in the Top 40 - Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston. I think they're vile in the extreme. In essence this music doesn't say anything whatsoever."

Interviewer: But it does, it does. What it says can't necessarily be verbalised easily. It doesn't seek to change the world like rock music by speaking grand truths about politics, sex and the human condition. It works at a much more subtle level - at the level of the body and the shared abandon of the dancefloor. It won't change the world, but it's been said it may well change the way you walk through the world.

Moz: "I don't think there's any time anymore to be subtle about anything, you have to get straight to the point. Obviously to get on Top Of The Pops these days, one has to be, by law, black. I think something political has occurred among Michael Hurl and his friends and there has been a hefty pushing of all these black artists and all this discofied nonsense into the Top 40. I think, as a result, that very aware younger groups that speak for now are being gagged."

Interviewer: You seem to be saying that you believe that there is some sort of black pop conspiracy being organised to keep white indie groups down.

Moz: "Yes, I really do."

I'm sorry but this DOES seem pretty racist to me.
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Ever heard of Elvis Presley?

And even some of the earliest white rockers (who took most of their influence from Delta blues) were ignorant racists (like Eric Clapton).
what are you basing that on?
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Eric Clapton isn't any more racist than say, Elvis Costello.
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Haha i forgot about that rant, forgot when it was, got a source?

It's uncomfortable reading yes. The two ways you could look at it is that there's someone who is either actually biased towards black music due to race or someone who is so biased towards that sort of music that he takes it's popularity as an attack on other music.
The generalising is disgusting to be frank. An attack on modern black music simply because of whats in the charts? Give over. I agree with him on the likes of Janet Jackson and Whitney Houston, their music says nothing to me either but i wouldn't dare use THEM as an example for an attack on a whole race's fucking music. Goes without saying there is far better stuff going on in the underground.

I don't really know what to make of it because, yes it is quite blatantly an attack on race, but then you've Morrissey and his stupid drama-queen double entendres he whips out half the time. You never really know whether he means what he says or not half the time.
"Obviously to get on Top Of The Pops these days, one has to be, by law, black.", could be taken as ignorant and tongue-in-cheek either way.

I know it takes away the mystique he loves so much but i really would love him to take part in an extensive interview over all this to clear it all up once and for all. He's an intelligent person really and should be the last person to be racist, but this kind of thing really does annoy me. One thing for sure is he's a fucking idiot with stuff like this, talk about Bigmouth.
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From Rolling Stone.

During Costello's 1979 tour of the U.S., when one night in a bar in Columbus, Ohio, at odds with the Stephen Stills Band, Costello suddenly denounced Ray Charles as "a blind , arrogant, ******," he said much the same about James Brown, and attacked the stupidity of American black music in general. Bramlett decked him; the incident quickly made the papers, then "People" magazine, and the resulting scandal forced a New York press conference - Costello's first real face-to-face encounter with journalists since the Fall of 1977 - where he tried to explain himself, and , according to both Costello and those who questioned him, failed.

Clapton never said anything that extreme, he does have some rather conservative views about immigration but thats not enough to make him a racist, I mean c'mon, Eric Clapton? Think about that for a sec, this guy has been trying to be black for the majority of his career.
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Hmm, that was back in the 80's where he claimed that stuff like the 'Reggae is vile' was tongue-in-cheek. He's said positive things about black music after this of as well of course so it's all up in the air as ever, grr.
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