Roygbiv

True. Music without controversy is uninspired.

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scottsy

Yeah, Society has been in a state of un - doing since the forties if you listen to the naysayers who say "nay" and wind up sounding like horses...


Will rock ever be on top again... I'd like to say yes, but I have a feeling it's going to be a no. That's not because rock is old, terrible or whatever, but I think popular music has been so swallowed up by big business, its turly hard / almost impossible for a band to come out and mess things up - the only "stir" you get out of a new rock band these days are the kinds that are created by their record company or distributor...


I think companies have the market so well pinned down these days its impossible to have anything dominant at all...


The record companies know a certain percentage of their audience love, rock, alternative, soft rock, adult contemporary, rap, r and b, funk, dance, electronic, etc...


They plan charts and figures, graphs and spreadsheets based on sales and they promote according to their sales needs. Like in any other retailing business, its all counted down to the nth degree, planned and then reflected upon for future planning.


They'll serve up the audience what they want in proportions equal to the demand.


This, I believe has pretty much accelerated a stagnating effect on most musical styles - artists need their labels, they need their work distributed, promoted, funded until it sells well...

I know I seem slightly jaded, cynical, but I just think this is the truth.

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Roygbiv

This, and perhaps being desensitized. There's so much music nowadays - from so many genres, and thanks to the internet, from so many people - your cousin's friend's son could make an album of original songs and be heard by the masses - that rock just doesn't matter anymore.

Nothing really matters anymore, in terms of music. It's all about the bands now. One person may love Animal Collective (psychedelic rock) as much as they enjoy Dizzee Rascal (hip-hop).

Saying you like Rock or any genre really just means you haven't decided, or are too lazy to name all your favourite bands.

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Rainard Jalen

cripes. what about the immense popularity of nickelback? and bands like my chemical romance? this is all billboard top 10 material. and, regardless of whether or not you think it merits the title, it IS rock music! rock per se has not lost its mainstream credentials.

also, 'rock' is able to refer to an almost indefinite number of sub-genres including all those little movements within 'indie'/alternative, which are really quite trendy these days.

it's RAP music that has lost a huge amount of its mainstream credibility in recent years. sales have plummeted, and there are FAR FAR less names making it big.

let's take a real look at the billboard top 10 right now:

two beyonce songs (not rap), two TI songs (neither are really rap and the main focus in both is on the sung vocals), two kanye west songs (neither of which are rap!), lady gaga, taylor swift, kate perry and britney spears (yeah - um... not rap!).

further down in 11-20 we have another britney spears song, a song by Pink, Ne-Yo, Akon, a couple of Rihanna songs... hell, even a song by Nickelback. A few rap tracks here and there, but it is NOT the dominant popular format by any stretch of the imagination.

So then, what is the dominant format? I'll tell ya: easy-listening pop. just like it always has been. if you think that billboard has ever been dominated by rock music at any point since the 1980s then sorry but you are sorely mistaken. take a look at a top ten from the 80s and you'll find much the same facts as those we see today. even in the early nineties, urban contemp. music was always more popular in the mainstream than rock. and has continued to be more popular for the last 15 years than rap, too.

Yukon Cornelius

Can we get any deeper

Janszoon

What do you mean?

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Yukon Cornelius

It drives me nuts that MTV barley plays music anymore.. if they do its rap or r&b. Now i dont mind the ppl who like it but i remember in the mid 90's you could still watch a rock video or two. I just think that things have gone down hill and now ppl are more concearned with the BS that is spoonfed to them.
I want the Rock to be played in between Cribs you know. I just feel that in this materialistic world that we live in more so now than ever ppl dont even care about the music they care about things that surround it. Rap videos to me are basically billboards for clothes and other items.
And i guess that what ppl want right now... Its has no meaning...

Aurelius

This is pretty much all MTV plays.
However, if you live in the UK (im assuming its just the UK), then why don't you try Kerrang!? Yes, i know its pretty much mainstream, but its about the closest we can get. Also, Suzz isn't a bad channel, and it plays some older stuff.
As for my opinion.. i think that people are too into listening to "fashionable" mainstream pop crap.. well, thats being too general, i do like the occasional song. I woud like their to be somewhere small, local bands can get a mention, as they are sometimes better than the mainstream.

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Roygbiv

So, when you say "can we get deeper" you really mean "can we agree to your opinion."

Your over-generalization of a genre is hilarious. The exact same arguments about MTV rap can be made about MTV rock.

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Janszoon

If you care about music and not the "things that surround it" why are you even watching MTV in the first place? MTV's purpose since it started has been to promote the image of popular bands, often at the expense of the music.

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