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Old 02-05-2009, 09:44 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Jesus! this is some undertaking
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Old 02-05-2009, 10:00 AM   #32 (permalink)
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so, what now?

:brings the defibrillator:

-Heavy Metal 70's
-Heavy Metal 80's
-Heavy Metal 90's
-Heavy Metal 00's

-Garage / Proto-Punk

-Pre 1990 Punk
-Post 1990 Punk

-Alternative 80's
-Alternative 90's
-Alternative 00's

-Post Punk
-New Wave (?)

-Shoe Gaze

-Brit Pop

-Progressive Rock / Art Rock

-Psychedelic / Krautrock

-Rock n Roll / Rockabilly

-Hard Rock

-Classic Rock

-Modern Rock / Nu Metal / Rap Rock

-Noise Rock

-Grunge / Post-Grunge

-Blues

-Funk

-Soul / Rhythm'n'Blues

-Pop (including contemporary R'n'B) Pre1995
-Pop (including contemporary R'n'B, Neo Soul) Post1995

-Classical (Composers instead of Albums)

-Jazz

-Electronica pre2000
-Electronica post2000

-Hip Hop pre1995
-Hip Hop post1995

-Reggae

-Ska

-Folk / Folk Rock

-World Music (?)

what do you think?
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Old 02-05-2009, 10:08 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Post Rock
Experimental


The list goes on...
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:10 AM   #34 (permalink)
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^allright then! it now seems like a lot of work, but as soon as we have a complete list, I could imagine it to run automaticly. What's the big deal of putting your favorite records of some genre on a list and post it in some topic. I think everyone will love to do that, it's just that no one wants to think it all through now.

well as for you Jackhammer it will be some work still, no doubt. But you could delegate some of us to do some of the counting, just give us some genre and we'll do it. I will, if you want me to.
I'd take the soul, pop, jazz, funk topics (not that those are my favorites in general, but I'm still not familiar with all the subgenres of rock etc)

Speaking of it, similar to the education topics we could all copy and paste the list and each put some artists as examples behind the genres, so that we can discuss and will be on one with each other where to put the records later on (less confusion when the actual process starts)

but first, let's reflect on the list.

-Heavy Metal 70's
-Heavy Metal 80's
-Heavy Metal 90's
-Heavy Metal 00's

-Garage / Proto-Punk

-Pre 1990 Punk
-Post 1990 Punk

-Alternative 80's
-Alternative 90's
-Alternative 00's

-Post Punk
-New Wave (?)

-Shoe Gaze

-Brit Pop

-Progressive Rock / Art Rock

-Psychedelic / Krautrock

-Rock n Roll / Rockabilly

-Hard Rock

-Classic Rock

-Modern Rock / Nu Metal / Rap Rock

-Noise Rock

-Post Rock

-Experimental

-Grunge / Post-Grunge

-Blues

-Funk

-Soul / Rhythm'n'Blues

-Pop (including contemporary R'n'B) Pre1995
-Pop (including contemporary R'n'B, Neo Soul) Post1995

-Classical (Composers instead of Albums)

-Jazz

-Electronica pre2000
-Electronica post2000

-Hip Hop pre1995
-Hip Hop post1995

-Reggae

-Ska

-Folk / Folk Rock / Roots

-World Music (?)


so, do we keep World Music? I had my doubts before, but I'm on now.
What's the deal with New Wave? is it a promising genre itself, or does it fit somewhere?
What about EBM? I've learned some of you like that stuff. should it be an own category, or does it fit somewhere?

Are you all satisfied with the decades of some categories?
I thought it would be good to have 2 categories with pop, hip hop and electronica, but put the border of electronica 5 years later, because I the genre didn't seem that old to me, but correct me if I'm wrong! if there's enough electronica before 1990 we could also make it pre1990,1990-2000,post2000 !?

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Old 02-05-2009, 11:25 AM   #35 (permalink)
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No offence, but doing it that way with all those genres seem like waaay too much work and while people will contribute to the lists, it will be less when the genres are so specific. I wouldn't know where to start on my list of the 10 best world music albums.

I would make some supercategories. If people complain a lot about it and they wanna be more specific, then it's probably easier making spinoff-threads for subgenres once you know that people are willing to contribute to that than do it before you know.

For example, Metal could be one supercategory that would be fine with me. I don't mind Dio competing with Slipknot, although pre and post 90s could make sense.
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:08 PM   #36 (permalink)
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then it's probably easier making spinoff-threads for subgenres once you know that people are willing to contribute to that than do it before you know.
I disagree on that, I don't think once you let people post their lists and then realize that it would be better to divide the genre, it will be easy. You can't just split the lists, so you have to let everyone post new lists again.

Isn't it possible to do the thinking before it starts? I mean, thats what this topic here is about, everyone should say which categories are good and which they believe aren't neccessary, and when a group of maybe 15 people on here have done that, we know which categories to keep and which to drop.

Your idea could be more accurate, as we see what happens and then decide what to do, but I would prefer this idea, as the proccess of submitting albums in the topics will probably be more fluent.

Plus, I asked Jackhammer to set a Minimum of 5 records, but would now ask to set the minimum lower again - because with the point system that you posted, the people that would only post 1 album aren't a problem anymore (as I thought they were...). theirs just doesn't count as much. If you want your top album to have some more points you just have to name more.

And that would also solve your problem, toretorden, if you only know 3 great world music albums, that's ok. if anyone else knows 7, his just have more weight.

And, with which genre would you merge world music with anyway?
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:11 PM   #37 (permalink)
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ps: the only problem I also see is that some (including me) won't even know, which subgenre some record fits into..

I don't know, someone else decide what to do!
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Old 02-05-2009, 06:37 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I don't think metal should be divided by time. I think it should simply be "extreme" and "traditional." Extreme metal meaning grindcore, black metal, death metal, thrash metal, and death/funeral/drone doom and any other ridiculous metal subgnres that are extreme that i missed. Traditional metal would just consist of the classic metal bands i.e Priest, Maiden, Sabbath, and then the traditional doom metal bands like Trouble. Dividing metal by time would cause the 80s to have Maiden competing with Death which really just doesn't sound right.
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Old 02-12-2009, 01:04 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Come on. I would like lots more input please as I think the finished articles will be great reading.
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Old 02-12-2009, 01:08 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Why is hip-hop divided into pre-1995 and post-1995? Is there some significance to that year that I'm unaware of? It seems like it would be easier to just do hip-hop by decade like some of the other genres.

Don't mind me, I'm jumping into this conversation pretty late.
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