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Old 11-26-2009, 07:06 PM   #131 (permalink)
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You have to "practice" so your brain will become more used to the way this thing works. It's call and response, ie the frequences played in the beat attempt to get your brain to follow suit and operate on those frequencies.

After so many sessions your brain will reconize the attempt better and you'll get a better response.

Or atleast that's what a professor at my (community) college said. He seems to think they are plausable but says enough tests haven't been done.

"Practice" is basically my word for gradual brain entrainment. It's really not that far fetched... it's just exagerrated to death by the company who, of course, wants to make money.

They are fun simulations of the real thing. I think you guys may need to read up on what a placebo really is.
But we're still left with, assuming someone has "practiced" enough, the basic effect of Binaural Beat phenomenon. That, in itself, produces effects depending on the frequency range that's currently being produced. But these effects are in no way comparable to the main psychoactive effects of, say, weed.
The tendency for the mind to compare the Binaural experience to the advertised drug experience is where the placebo effect kicks in (If you don't know the drug, like in your experiment, then guess what... the connection was made when you found out what it was, having never done heroin.). In some people, this may be a minor manipulation, yet in others, it can be a major thing. The word "susceptibility", even as described in the I-Doser disclaimers themselves, are really describing the susceptibility of people to be physically influenced by the placebo effect.

Again, I'm not saying that the Binaural Beat phenomenon is a placebo. I'm saying the extra expectations added to this phenomenon by the I-Doser company most certainly is. And if you find yourself experiencing drug effects, you're either not very versed in actual drug effects, or you're... "Susceptible".


By the way, special brownies (or any ingested marijuana) do have a mild effect when compared to smoking. The duration of the high is longer, but far less intense. And you have to eat a lot for there to even be a comparable feeling.
If I were you, I wouldn't compare your ingestion experience to a baseline pot high.
I do, however, encourage you to get some good dank, and smoke the crap out of it at least once.
You might end up agreeing with me afterwards.
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Old 11-28-2009, 11:49 PM   #132 (permalink)
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They are fun simulations of the real thing. I think you guys may need to read up on what a placebo really is.
You're really gonna tell Tore, who has a degree in biology, to read up on what a placebo is? I think you've got that a bit backwards...
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Old 11-28-2009, 11:52 PM   #133 (permalink)
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You're really gonna tell Tore, who has a degree in biology, to read up on what a placebo is? I think you've got that a bit backwards...
He could have a degree in go touch yourself for all I care.


















yeah i know that doesn't make sense

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Old 11-29-2009, 12:02 AM   #134 (permalink)
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He could have a degree in go f-ck yourself for all I care.
That would make for an interesting 4 years.
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Old 11-29-2009, 02:49 AM   #135 (permalink)
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I attended a lecture on placebo not too long ago in fact. It was on a friday evening which shows my dedication.

It is as Dali writes. The company who makes I-Doser do what they can in order plant expectancy in their customers so there's an element of manipulation to this. The required training is also perfect for training a placebo response. Of course there might be a real physiological effect that is caused by the bi-naural beats, but either way you get a placebo effect on top of that and your experience comes from either placebo or the placebo and the actual effect of I-Doser put together. The point is; either way it's there - whether it's all or just part of it.

Something I didn't think of before is that it could have a meditative effect as well. By relaxing and focusing ones thoughts on something, people slip into other levels of consciousness. This is often accompanied by feelings of relaxation, clearness of mind, feeling heavy or almost like your body is not there, comfort, waves of tingly feelings and so on. You also get better at meditation with training which is consistent with I-Doser and how it should be used. A rough way to put oneself in a meditative state may for example be to close ones eyes and count backwards from 100.

If you close your eyes and focus on a sound, that might have a similar effect so then the I-Doser experience could be caused by at least three things; placebo, meditation and binaural beats.
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Old 11-29-2009, 11:55 AM   #136 (permalink)
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Well it still feels fantastic, no matter what it is.
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Old 11-29-2009, 06:00 PM   #137 (permalink)
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I believe it does make you feel things. I've tried a few doses. Felt pretty "drunk" after an alcohol dose. It could have been placebo but I did they cocaine one and was like well I don't feel much. This is bull****. Then I tried the alcohol one and was giggly as **** afterwards and a little dizzy. I feel like a fool, but maybe it did work for me. The placebo I'm sure is there and I bet thats where half the people get great feelings from... but if they called it "I-Doser: Your Number One Placebo Listening Thingy!" They would lose sales. Not only from that incredibly stupid name, but also because for a placebo to work people have to believe it will emulate the real thing.
Or something like that.
So yeah, I think it works.
If you believe.

It's like the santa clause of the drug world.
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Old 11-29-2009, 06:43 PM   #138 (permalink)
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Yeah I'm beyond caring why it works any more. If i'm being placebo'd than it still works after I know I'm being placebo'd so it doesn't really matter. I think what throws a lot of people off is the fact that their marketed as alternatives to the real thing... but hey that's the whole marketing plot right?
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Old 12-01-2009, 05:18 PM   #139 (permalink)
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Can we get back to talking about pokemon now?
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Old 09-01-2010, 09:48 PM   #140 (permalink)
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