Sneer

I tried a binaural beat on the recommendation of a friend with all the lights out and headphones on. I found it to be a very disconcerting experience. I became very anxious and afraid of my surroundings, so stopped it midway through.

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Thrice

and then ill finish this forty cuz lifes boring...and im pillmatic.

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someonecompletelyrandom

You inspired me to try a little experiment.

According to Freebase the only reason I got "high" off the Pot dose is because I "wanted" to get high.

So I put two random doses (I renamed all of the dose files on my computer to the same thing) on a disc and hit random. I didn't look at what track was playing and listened to the whole dose.

I felt a heaviness in my jaw, tingly feeling in my forehead and nose area and drifted between chill out happiness and total zoning out nothingness.

Turns out the dose was heroin - consistent with the description and yet I went into not knowing what it was supposed to be.

Also you said the doses were just one consistent binaural beat with white (or pink) noise added? I don't know what you were listening to but the beats change up every four minutes or so.. the beating you hear at the end is different from what you started with. This is because they are occuring at different frequences as they attempt to train your brain to follow suit.

I think I can say I've been trained effectivly at this. Results are now as quick as the real thing.

And that's another thing.... I've said it before and I'll say it again........

even if it's not exactly like the real drug (even if it's completely different) that doens't take away from the fact that it feels fantastic. If your smart enough to know how to get them for free (and most kids are) and they work on you than why shouldn't you be getting high off this stuff? It's harmless, legal, non-addictive (as if pot is addictive anyway.... talking more about heroin and the likes) and fun.

I'm just telling all of you because the majority of people in this thread seem to have a stick up their ass about it. And it doesn't help that you essentially have to "practice" at it but trust me this aint no placebo. Now if you'll excuse me I have to go listen to an Atomic Bomb blowing up in my ears.

Freebase Dali

Jesus Christ...
How much do you honestly think that proves?

I don't mean that as a challenge, but more of an actual question.
I'd really like to hear you explain it.


Edit:
By the way, I get heaviness in my jaw and drift between chill happiness to total nothingness every time I lay down to go to sleep.
And I'm usually totally straight.
Wanna explain that one? Or am I being beamed with audio drugs from a secret government experiment or something?

Astronomer

I just tried the pot one and it didn't do **** for me. I don't know if the one I downloaded was legit but it just felt like the same kind of noise as heard when having an MRI scan or something. Of course when you lie down and close your eyes and relax your body you are going to experience a heavy jaw, or a relaxed sense, or spacing out more so than if you were sitting at your computer.

I personally think it'd have a placebo effect, the mind is a very powerful thing, and thinking about certain feelings/sensations can certainly trigger them.

And probably the people who are attracted to these I-Doses are people who haven't actually tried the real drug or had access to it (which is why they are seeking out i-doses) and so don't really know what to compare it to anyway.

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someonecompletelyrandom

I can only repeat myself 400 times... like most people I've used pot. I will also repeat this for the 400th time... you have to PRACTICE!

And Freebase, it was a direct response to what you posted. I said what I think it proves to me in the post. And please don't be a smart ass. Yes you feel something when you sleep... like most human beings I regularly sleep too. I wouldn't have said anything if I felt nothing - this was something out of the ordinary.

Freebase Dali

Of course it's out of the ordinary. Didn't we already establish that Binaural Beats can do that?
But honestly, since you say you've smoked pot, you can't tell me that I-Doser is comparable at all, unless your experiences with pot were very um... Nutmeg.

Anyway, I get what you're saying.
I guess I just have too much experience with real drugs to hear people describe their I-Doser highs and take it seriously when they compare the effects.

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someonecompletelyrandom

I don't want to argue or anything... I'm just saying I-doser was just as powerful but in a different way. And the reason I brought up the fact that it was heroin that I used in the random one is because I've never used that dose before... so i got a completly different effect than the mj dose and there was no pre-existing knowledge of what it was supposed to do so atleast to me that rules out placebo.

And even if it is placebo than damn I love placebo.

Guybrush

Aside from everything else, that itself is a pretty strong indication that it is merely placebo. If the sounds really cause a biochemical response, you wouldn't need practice. It would work like a drug. The fact you have to practice strongly indicates the effect is psychological.

Also practicing is important in placebos. For example drugs have stronger effects when people have had positive experiences with them before. The reason is they get an added placebo effect from expecting results based on previous experiences.

Maybe it's fine if you wanna get high on bogus - but personally, I don't like kidding myself. I think it's immoral for companies to make money on placebos as well.

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someonecompletelyrandom

You have to "practice" so your brain will become more used to the way this thing works. It's call and response, ie the frequences played in the beat attempt to get your brain to follow suit and operate on those frequencies.

After so many sessions your brain will reconize the attempt better and you'll get a better response.

Or atleast that's what a professor at my (community) college said. He seems to think they are plausable but says enough tests haven't been done.

"Practice" is basically my word for gradual brain entrainment. It's really not that far fetched... it's just exagerrated to death by the company who, of course, wants to make money.

They are fun simulations of the real thing. I think you guys may need to read up on what a placebo really is.