Music Banter Hall Of Fame: Nominations Thread

sleepy jack · 07-21-2008, 06:51 PM

Joy Division isn't about having a Buckley-esque frontman or Dream Theater-like instrumentation. They're a punk band.

Son of JayJamJah · 07-21-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Joy Division isn't about having a Buckley-esque frontman or Dream Theater-like instrumentation. They're a punk band.

That's a good point, I was speaking in terms of why I don't love them. Have to say, (as I continue to listen to all their music I own) "They Walk in Line" is a really catchy song and I like it a lot more then I remembered.

boo boo · 07-21-2008, 10:40 PM

I'm tempted to vote against them out of spite. But ah, Zeppelin won, I should be happy for that, so sure, why not? They only had 2 albums but they're both great and insanely influencial.

Molecules · 07-22-2008, 12:13 AM

It's been interesting reading the cases for and against Joy Division's inclusion, which seems to be more down to age differences than anything else - hell I'd probably have had a hard time with JD if I hadn't been born after the punk ethic's assimilation into popular culture and our collective musical conscience.

I love JD for many reasons but it's all been said... you have to appreciate that they were free of the art school pretensions and self-conscious nihilsim of many of their post-punk-era peers.

The kind of morons that discount their music because it's 'gloomy' or 'depressing' fail to recognize the passion the emanates from these two landmark records, it's real grassroots stuff...
when I hear them I see drizzly Macclesfield, disenchanted youth and a hunger for creativity, as cliché as that may sound. The cold synthesizers, inept guitar stabbings and ofcourse the feeling-over-falsetto vocals - all amount to far more for me than what I see when I hear Led Zep (who WERE probably better than Blue Cheer) which is Robert Plant's hairy beer belly

And if these nominations are to be based on historical significance, as well as the overall tastes of MusicBanter, then I'd say Joy Division are just as deserving as Led Zeppelin - both were icons of their respective generations and are responsible for a hell of a lot of **** bands!

boo boo · 07-22-2008, 12:35 AM

I'll tell you what, I'd rather listen to Wolfmother than Interpol or Bloc Party.

The Monkey · 07-22-2008, 07:03 AM

Could you please post the list of upcoming candidates so that people won't waste time submitting things that's already in.

Piss Me Off · 07-22-2008, 08:33 AM

Most people have been PM'ing me reserving bands to do cases on so it's not really a problem, haven't had any conflicting choices yet.

FaSho · 07-22-2008, 09:54 AM

JD is deffinatley not in my tops, but in the short time i've been here i can tell that lot of people on MB do like them...and thats the point right?

WaspStar · 07-22-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JayJamJah

I disagree.

Would you have the same feelings if it were Led Zeppelin and not Joy Division that released just two albums and was being questioned here?

If a band makes eight, ten or one hundred very good albums it's more impressive then one that releases two or three. I agree you should not exclude a band based on quantity or lack there of and that releasing 15 albums doesn't mean any of them are any good. But longevity has to be a factor, it's a fact of life so I don't see how it can't be a factor.

Yes, I would have the same feelings regardless of the band in question (I personally don't like Joy Division, but to deny their importance/value simply because of the number of albums they released is ridiculous).

How many bands have made "eight, ten, or one hundred" very good albums? There are five or six Springsteen records that I really love, but I would place them second to the two Velvet Underground records that I really love. The records aren't "equal" in quality, even if they're all good.

Here's another example. It's cliched to say so, but I still honestly believe that Never Mind The Bollocks is the ultimate album and bests all of the albums by other punk bands. The Clash made two (or three) great records, Buzzcocks released some amazing singles, the Dead Kennedys made some great albums...but for me, they all pale compared to the lone Sex Pistols album. I think that's the mentatlity a lot of Joy Division fans adopt.

Longevity has nothing to do with it. It has to do with the overall quality of a given body of work. Would you rather have 25 good songs or 5 truly great songs? Yes, if the songs are of equal quality, than I suppose quantity does matter. But that's not the way music is.

Inuzuka Skysword · 07-22-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

I'll tell you what, I'd rather listen to Wolfmother than Interpol or Bloc Party.

Bloc Party is not another Joy Division rip-off. Interpol is, but not Bloc Party.

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07-22-2008, 12:13 AM	#64 (permalink)
Molecules daddy don't Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: the Wastes Posts: 2,577	It's been interesting reading the cases for and against Joy Division's inclusion, which seems to be more down to age differences than anything else - hell I'd probably have had a hard time with JD if I hadn't been born after the punk ethic's assimilation into popular culture and our collective musical conscience. I love JD for many reasons but it's all been said... you have to appreciate that they were free of the art school pretensions and self-conscious nihilsim of many of their post-punk-era peers. The kind of morons that discount their music because it's 'gloomy' or 'depressing' fail to recognize the passion the emanates from these two landmark records, it's real grassroots stuff... when I hear them I see drizzly Macclesfield, disenchanted youth and a hunger for creativity, as cliché as that may sound. The cold synthesizers, inept guitar stabbings and ofcourse the feeling-over-falsetto vocals - all amount to far more for me than what I see when I hear Led Zep (who WERE probably better than Blue Cheer) which is Robert Plant's hairy beer belly And if these nominations are to be based on historical significance, as well as the overall tastes of MusicBanter, then I'd say Joy Division are just as deserving as Led Zeppelin - both were icons of their respective generations and are responsible for a hell of a lot of **** bands! __________________ [SIZE="1"]Eff em tumble her

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Piss Me Off Moodswings n' Roundabouts Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: At the corner of Dude and Catastrophe Posts: 4,512	Most people have been PM'ing me reserving bands to do cases on so it's not really a problem, haven't had any conflicting choices yet. __________________ Last FM Rate Yr Music Muxtape

07-22-2008, 07:03 AM	#66 (permalink)
The Monkey Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 803	Could you please post the list of upcoming candidates so that people won't waste time submitting things that's already in.