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Old 03-16-2014, 10:11 AM   #41 (permalink)
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lol The Real World was a huge success though.

Also there are like five different MTV channels now and at least 3 of them play music videos constantly all day.

(NOTE: I know this might not be needed, but to those outside of The US, this is only about the American Division of the network. I'm sure other countries have more music than the US branch...I hope I'm right...)

Agreed. I remember when M2 started up. Around a lot of The US, however, they just switch on the one station, M2 flew only a little but it was too little too late. Most of The US only goes for the first channel, and apparently has no interest in looking elsewhere or checking out the other stations when you look at all of the complaints...although I will say that they might be the ones who just may complain about the programming if they were around at that time (some people think they were not born to be pleased).

Still, the main point is that it's all about the timing, and this was really before the Internet took away MTV's once-strong hold on the format. The rise of the alternative in Popular Music (Hip Hop, Grunge, and even EBM...er, what was marketed as Industrial for starters) was breaking a lot of what happened in The Late 80's with Grunge taking over Hair Metal and 90-1 when the Ice Ice Babies were cheapening the world or Rap. Even if it was for a fashion, the Alternatives were starting to look real good, but with Viacom looking over their shoulder, wanting a steady stream of ratings (OK, their point taken and understood), the success of The Real World really made them ditch the Video-centric programming which really was going overboard anyways, especially with the labels losing money on expensive videos that were pretty much given away to the network (I'm sure with the bills going to the bands I think), killing a lot of what could have been the second round of forwarding the music with a broader spectrum instead of just the Pop/AOR format it had in the so called glory days. Even if the Alternatives would go away (and they did), the Music would have never stopped at least, but a TV Network company is the kind that will seriously switch thing around to the point where it's only a regular TV Station with some bits of music here and there and with their shows attracting the Small Dots and the Trailer Parks resulting in regular money generating ratings (at least I think...I could be wrong...), it will continue with their programming. Those looking for alternatives have many things to choose from now, but MTV lost that step in a very crucial time - I have had many complaints about it, but that's not where I'm going to.

The Real World sparked a lot of annoying trends on TV, especially that of the "Reality" TV Show genre. The 15 Minutes of Fame thanks to a camera pointed at someone dealing with Drama all added up. The Big Mistake was that with the success of the show, it encouraged a lot of crap both in media and in life in general.

Things should have focused on Music and not Human Drama. Although looking at the success of Musicians is very shallow at worst, it's at least looking at accomplishment and not encouraging people to add Drama to their lives in the hopes that they too will actually be in foront of a camera...in a way that was the first spark of all of the garbage you see on Facebook and other Social Platforms. Just my opinion.

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Old 03-16-2014, 10:17 AM   #42 (permalink)
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But then we wouldn't have New Order, the film Control and probably a few other good things.

24 Hour party People, was way better. I liked Control, don't get me wrong but the guy that played Ian Curtis was all around a better Ian impersonator, then the guy in Control.....


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Old 03-16-2014, 10:37 AM   #43 (permalink)
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I would go back in time and warn lennon he is about to get shot.

Also i would like to go back to the exact spot Kurt cobain died, to see if he really killed himself or if he was murdered.

it's strange, i don't really wish to prevent Kurt's death i just wanna know what really happened.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:43 AM   #44 (permalink)
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I'd set the Way-Back machine to 09-21-87 and hire a few body guards for Jaco Pastorius. I've recently re-discovered this incredible musician, and his demise is such a shame it's heartbreaking.
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:49 AM   #45 (permalink)
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To be honest I think the tragedies I would really like to prevent are the small ones.
Stopping the death of John Lennon or Jim Morrison or Kurt Cobain would have too dramatic an impact. I just want something lowkey like a new Exploding Hearts album.
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Old 03-16-2014, 12:02 PM   #46 (permalink)
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To be honest I think the tragedies I would really like to prevent are the small ones.
Stopping the death of John Lennon or Jim Morrison or Kurt Cobain would have too dramatic an impact. I just want something lowkey like a new Exploding Hearts album.
i kinda agree a little, that's why i don't want to prevent Kurt's death but i gotta warn lennon man, i remember seeing the imagine documentary and seeing John walk down a park saying he was optimistic about the 80's and just looking forward to life but not as beatle, just as a human being and then some ****in psycho fan shoots him and ended everything for him. he deserved better than that imo.
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I would go back in time and warn lennon he is about to get shot.

Also i would like to go back to the exact spot Kurt cobain died, to see if he really killed himself or if he was murdered.

it's strange, i don't really wish to prevent Kurt's death i just wanna know what really happened.
I feel the same about Richey Edwards from the Manics, I would like to follow him for a bit (like a stalker) just to see if he topped himself or if it was part of a big magical disappearing act.

(I am 95% sure he is probably dead)
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I would go back in time and warn lennon he is about to get shot.

Also i would like to go back to the exact spot Kurt cobain died, to see if he really killed himself or if he was murdered.

it's strange, i don't really wish to prevent Kurt's death i just wanna know what really happened.
I'd like to know the same thing about Jim Morrison.
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:48 PM   #49 (permalink)
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I'd want to be there for the formation and rise of the shaggs up until they disbanded. Theyre so much legend surrounding them that I want to understand
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Old 03-16-2014, 04:04 PM   #50 (permalink)
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One would have to wonder what would've happened
if Hendrix hadn't been sleeping on his back - or if
Monika had awakened earlier and turned him over.
I thought he died in an ambulance on the way to the hospital? They just assumed he was OD on heroin and would not let him get off his back to throw up or something like that? Thought that wast the story in his biography but could be wrong. These things are always clouded in mystery.

But anyways, good call. Would love to see what Hendrix next steps would have been. He was on the cusp of really going a new direction.
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