I hate grunge.

Trollheart · 04-25-2018, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick1976

One thing you have to admit; as goofy as the 80's hair band guitarists looked with the big hair, make-up and spandex they spent years mastering their craft with blistering guitar riffs and killer solos whereas Cobain shot up the charts playing rinky-dink power chords and amateurish piss ant guitar solos. Go figure! A few months back I was in a local music store and saw this young 15-ish looking boy playing the guitar intro to Alice Cooper's "Poison" on a Fender Strat. I walked up to him and shook his hand and thanked him for NOT playing that "Come as you are" or "Smells like Teen Spirit" bull**** like most people I hear his age play. Judging from the smile he gave me he knew exactly what I was getting at! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq4j1LtCdww

Hmm. 41-year old guy approaches 15-year old kid in music store. Nothing weird at all about that.

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where and when they are required. Historically, encryption systems used what is known as symmetric cryptography. Symmetric cryptography uses the same key for both encryption and decryption. Using symmetric cryptography, it is safe to send encrypted messages without fear of interception (because an interceptor is unlikely to be able to decipher the message); however, there always remains the difficult problem of how to securely transfer the key to the recipients of a message so that they can decrypt the message. A major advance in cryptography occurred with the invention of public-key
cryptography. The primary feature of public-key cryptography is that it removes the need to use the same key for encryption and decryption. With public-key cryptography, keys come in pairs of matched “public” and “private” keys. The public portion of the key pair can be distributed in a public manner without
compromising the private portion, which must be kept secret by its owner. An operation (for example, encryption) done with the public key can only be undone
with the corresponding private key. Prior to the invention of public-key cryptography, it was essentially impossible to provide key management for large-scale networks. With symmetric cryptography, as the number of users increases on a network, the number of keys required to provide secure communications among those users increases rapidly. For example, a network of 100 users would require almost 5000 keys if it used only symmetric cryptography. Doubling such a network to 200 users increases the number of keys to almost 20,000. Thus, when only using symmetric cryptography, key management quickly becomes unwieldy even for relatively small-scale networks.

Ah I don't know, man. Sounds a little crypto-fascist to me.

Blank. · 04-25-2018, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick1976

One thing you have to admit; as goofy as the 80's hair band guitarists looked with the big hair, make-up and spandex they spent years mastering their craft with blistering guitar riffs and killer solos

They knew the CAGED system? Good for them. Every guitarist who's worth anything should. But that's not mastery of guitar. Mastery of guitar is being able to play every scale without a mistake or a wrong note. Every chord without a missed beat. You're yet to show a single guitarist who doesn't play some Minor ****.

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whereas Cobain shot up the charts playing rinky-dink power chords and amateurish piss ant guitar solos. Go figure!

Lol.

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A few months back I was in a local music store and saw this young 15-ish looking boy playing the guitar intro to Alice Cooper's "Poison" on a Fender Strat. I walked up to him and shook his hand and thanked him for NOT playing that "Come as you are" or "Smells like Teen Spirit" bull**** like most people I hear his age play. Judging from the smile he gave me he knew exactly what I was getting at! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq4j1LtCdww

Oh ****! That was you? Actually that smile was, "why are you bring those songs up... this is really creepy."

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Originally Posted by Nick1976

All Cobain sang about was depression, gloom, doom, misery, angst, despair, loss and a terrible life growing up. Sure, he wasn't the first nor the last to sing songs like that but that was ALL he sang about!

The song Come As You Are is about society, Teen Spirit is ment to capture teenage rebellion, About A Girl is about a girl, Been a Son is about a girl who got mistreated because her parents wanted a boy.

Was Cobain singing about a his misery? Yes. He was talking about other things too though.

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Take John Lennon for example; his dad abandoned him and his mom when he was a kid and John was practically destroyed when his mother was killed by an off duty police officer who was driving drunk but looking at his music it wasn't all about doom and gloom

Lol. And I have two loving parents yet I still write the majority of my lyrics about how I want to kill myself. People write about what they want too.

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......and he didn't commit suicide either.

I don't understand your point... What does this have to do with anything? Does suicide make him evil now?

~~MicShazam~~ · 04-26-2018, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick1976

One thing you have to admit; as goofy as the 80's hair band guitarists looked with the big hair, make-up and spandex they spent years mastering their craft with blistering guitar riffs and killer solos whereas Cobain shot up the charts playing rinky-dink power chords and amateurish piss ant guitar solos. Go figure! A few months back I was in a local music store and saw this young 15-ish looking boy playing the guitar intro to Alice Cooper's "Poison" on a Fender Strat. I walked up to him and shook his hand and thanked him for NOT playing that "Come as you are" or "Smells like Teen Spirit" bull**** like most people I hear his age play. Judging from the smile he gave me he knew exactly what I was getting at! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq4j1LtCdww

And yet Cobain expressed so much more with his meagre skills than those spandex wearing dudebros did with their godlike shred powers.

What good is it to be great at playing guitar if you're gonna use it to play crap?

Nick1976 · 04-26-2018, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Blank.

They knew the CAGED system? Good for them. Every guitarist who's worth anything should. But that's not mastery of guitar. Mastery of guitar is being able to play every scale without a mistake or a wrong note. Every chord without a missed beat. You're yet to show a single guitarist who doesn't play some Minor ****.

Lol.

Oh ****! That was you? Actually that smile was, "why are you bring those songs up... this is really creepy."

The song Come As You Are is about society, Teen Spirit is ment to capture teenage rebellion, About A Girl is about a girl, Been a Son is about a girl who got mistreated because her parents wanted a boy.

Was Cobain singing about a his misery? Yes. He was talking about other things too though.

Lol. And I have two loving parents yet I still write the majority of my lyrics about how I want to kill myself. People write about what they want too.

I don't understand your point... What does this have to do with anything? Does suicide make him evil now?

Hell, Cobain's own daughter doesn't care for his bull**** music either nor for how he abandoned his family! Cobain Is untalented and overrated, here is why, his lyrics are ****, they simply sound like that loser kid in highschool that no one talks to and always writes random **** on his notebook, Example, "A mulatto an albino,a mosquito my libido" what the **** is that. And don't make me go on about his "riffing" all his most known riffs are rip off`s. Axl Rose is a better singer than Cobain for the meer fact that he has an incredible range vocal wise, he can sing low and bluesy like in Patience or Dead Horse, and then he can sing High like Welcome to the Jungle, Sweet child o` mine, Etc etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o33dlhqunR4

Neapolitan · 04-26-2018, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick1976

Hell, Cobain's own daughter doesn't care for his bull**** music either nor for how he abandoned his family! Cobain Is untalented and overrated, here is why, his lyrics are ****, they simply sound like that loser kid in highschool that no one talks to and always writes random **** on his notebook, Example, "A mulatto an albino,a mosquito my libido" what the **** is that. And don't make me go on about his "riffing" all his most known riffs are rip off`s. Axl Rose is a better singer than Cobain for the meer fact that he has an incredible range vocal wise, he can sing low and bluesy like in Patience or Dead Horse, and then he can sing High like Welcome to the Jungle, Sweet child o` mine, Etc etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o33dlhqunR4

Honestly "a mosquito my libido" sounds like something Don Van Vliet woud come up with, so kudos to Kurt for picking up where Don done left off.

Black Francis · 04-26-2018, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick1976

Hell, Cobain's own daughter doesn't care for his bull**** music either nor for how he abandoned his family! Cobain Is untalented and overrated, here is why, his lyrics are ****, they simply sound like that loser kid in highschool that no one talks to and always writes random **** on his notebook, Example, "A mulatto an albino,a mosquito my libido" what the **** is that. And don't make me go on about his "riffing" all his most known riffs are rip off`s. Axl Rose is a better singer than Cobain for the meer fact that he has an incredible range vocal wise, he can sing low and bluesy like in Patience or Dead Horse, and then he can sing High like Welcome to the Jungle, Sweet child o` mine, Etc etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o33dlhqunR4

You're actually not that way off. Supposedly as a Teen Kurt would carry an old guitar around without knowing how to play it so yea, he was a bit of a poseur but gimme some proof of these riffs he supposedly stole.

I know Lounge act and the second part of all over the world by the pixies have the same chord pattern and the chorus from even in his youth is basically every bad religion song but i need more proof of his plagiarism

Nick1976 · 04-26-2018, 02:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_uh8XjgLTE Talk about Supergroups, we could probably throw them in the mix for best Supergroup. I saw them for their first record, they kicked ass. Every so often, I'll read all these "critics" who trash the record, yet, as I said, I've always enjoyed the record. I like both Damn Yankees albums. About two years ago Classic Rock magazine confirmed what many fans had long suspected -- that Damn Yankees was indeed a manufactured "supergroup." Tommy Shaw, Jack Blades, and Ted Nugent were all adrift at the time career wise and none of them knew each other prior to DY's formation; it was A&R demi-god John Kalodner who had the idea of putting the three of them together.

OccultHawk · 04-26-2018, 02:54 PM

Nuge was grunge until Scream Dream

Then he was avant-garde

Trollheart · 04-26-2018, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick1976

Cobain Is untalented and overrated, here is why, his lyrics are ****, they simply sound like that loser kid in highschool that no one talks to and always writes random **** on his notebook, Example, "A mulatto an albino,a mosquito my libido" what the **** is that.

Well I'm convinced.
Do you know how to use punctuation at your age? Sentences don't end in commas, commas don't follow one word usuallly (certainly not "example" - that would be a colon) and questions end in, well, question marks. Also, generally, only the first word in a sentence is capitalised. I've marked your errors in red to help you. You're welcome.

Oh. One more thing: Cobain is brown bread, so you should be talking about him in the past tense (Cobain was untalented, rather than Cobain is untalented), unless of course you think he's still recording from the grave?

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And don't make me go on about his "riffing"

Oh please! go on! Pretty please...?

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Honestly "a mosquito my libido" sounds like something Don Van Vliet woud come up with, so kudos to Kurt for picking up where Don done left off.

He's gonna come back asking who's that, some grunge wannabe no-talent kid?

~~MicShazam~~ · 04-26-2018, 02:57 PM

It doesn't make sense to blame one genre for the decline of another. Music does not kill music. Blame gatekeepers like MTV. Also, it's very conceivable that people were just, like, over glam metal, man.

A new generation, a new sensibility. The younger brother doesn't listen to the same music his big brother did. The younger brother grows to be a teenager and starts finding his own music, the big brother gets a job, a wife, kids and stops listening to glam metal or much music at all, since that's what tends to happen with "normies" as life goes on.

Any mainstream style dies. It's inevitable.

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	Nuge was grunge until Scream Dream Then he was avant-garde __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

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Nick1976 Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 151	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_uh8XjgLTE Talk about Supergroups, we could probably throw them in the mix for best Supergroup. I saw them for their first record, they kicked ass. Every so often, I'll read all these "critics" who trash the record, yet, as I said, I've always enjoyed the record. I like both Damn Yankees albums. About two years ago Classic Rock magazine confirmed what many fans had long suspected -- that Damn Yankees was indeed a manufactured "supergroup." Tommy Shaw, Jack Blades, and Ted Nugent were all adrift at the time career wise and none of them knew each other prior to DY's formation; it was A&R demi-god John Kalodner who had the idea of putting the three of them together.

04-26-2018, 02:57 PM	#640 (permalink)
~~MicShazam~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Aalborg Posts: 7,636	It doesn't make sense to blame one genre for the decline of another. Music does not kill music. Blame gatekeepers like MTV. Also, it's very conceivable that people were just, like, over glam metal, man. A new generation, a new sensibility. The younger brother doesn't listen to the same music his big brother did. The younger brother grows to be a teenager and starts finding his own music, the big brother gets a job, a wife, kids and stops listening to glam metal or much music at all, since that's what tends to happen with "normies" as life goes on. Any mainstream style dies. It's inevitable.