I hate grunge.

The Batlord · 04-01-2018, 03:21 AM

One day I hope the mods can merge a 9 page thread into a parent thread that currently has a lively discussion going on just to screw with people.

~~MicShazam~~ · 04-01-2018, 03:24 AM

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She sounds like her favorite band in high school was Pantera and now it's Five Finger Death Punch.

Aside from how the band frequently covers obscure heavy metal bands and her singing style sounds a lot like Bruce Dickinson's, but yeah, allright then.

Lilja · 04-01-2018, 03:37 AM

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The "Hair Metal" era, roughly '83 to '92 or so, represents the last time Heavy Metal was truly relevant. It represents the last time rock was culturally 'dangerous' and also fun as a genre - when rockstars still roamed the Earth. I can see the negative thoughts people have about it - being too corporate and gimmicky. But It was a period when rock was good (for me anyway) and then by like 93 and on rock became depressing sounding with snarling growling singers who were depressed. What really separates Led Zeppelin, say, from "Hair Metal"?

Both had long hair. Both had over-the-top stage shows and self indulgent music videos. Both wore flashy costumes. Both sang about sex, drugs and rock n' roll and groupies.

Or for that matter, the 70s Stones. What separates them in any real way from Warrant? Basically "Hair Metal" became a term used by angry Gen X-ers to describe fun rock while they wallowed in self hating grunge nonsense.

Music is just about evolution. As I said, Heavy Metal is big here in Sweden. Was it big in the 80s? Yes. 90s yes. 00s? Yes. It all depends on where you are from?

Is Europe still big here? Yes, but not as big as they were in the 80s. Primarily because their music was just apart of a sound that was popular at the time? Were all their songs happy? Have you not heard their song "Cherokee"? Pretty much banned in the US if I remember right. Nelson's "After the Rain"? Not very happy. But on the whole , yes, Hair Metal was happy. But maybe people on the whole were not happy or looking for something to identify their generation from the previous one ie Alternative rock. Plus you had alternatives to alternative rock getting mainstream play then such as Industrial..but that is a whole nother subject.

Hair Metal was awesome. I am glad you found your genre. You don't have to like all genres of music. (And I am assuming the whole Eurodance phase of the 90s pretty much won't be mentioned here...although that was awesome people! )

Lucem Ferre · 04-01-2018, 03:41 AM

This is how the people who hate mumble rap sound to me.

Trollheart · 04-01-2018, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick1976

The "Hair Metal" era, roughly '83 to '92 or so, represents the last time Heavy Metal was truly relevant. It represents the last time rock was culturally 'dangerous' and also fun as a genre - when rockstars still roamed the Earth. I can see the negative thoughts people have about it - being too corporate and gimmicky. But It was a period when rock was good (for me anyway) and then by like 93 and on rock became depressing sounding with snarling growling singers who were depressed. What really separates Led Zeppelin, say, from "Hair Metal"?

Both had long hair. Both had over-the-top stage shows and self indulgent music videos. Both wore flashy costumes. Both sang about sex, drugs and rock n' roll and groupies.

Or for that matter, the 70s Stones. What separates them in any real way from Warrant? Basically "Hair Metal" became a term used by angry Gen X-ers to describe fun rock while they wallowed in self hating grunge nonsense.

Other than having talent, you mean?

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One day I hope the mods can merge a 9 page thread into a parent thread that currently has a lively discussion going on just to screw with people.

And Hawk will want the babies aborted.

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Music is just about evolution. As I said, Heavy Metal is big here in Sweden. Was it big in the 80s? Yes. 90s yes. 00s? Yes. It all depends on where you are from?

Is Europe still big here? Yes, but not as big as they were in the 80s. Primarily because their music was just apart of a sound that was popular at the time? Were all their songs happy? Have you not heard their song "Cherokee"? Pretty much banned in the US if I remember right. Nelson's "After the Rain"? Not very happy. But on the whole , yes, Hair Metal was happy. But maybe people on the whole were not happy or looking for something to identify their generation from the previous one ie Alternative rock. Plus you had alternatives to alternative rock getting mainstream play then such as Industrial..but that is a whole nother subject.

Hair Metal was awesome. I am glad you found your genre. You don't have to like all genres of music. (And I am assuming the whole Eurodance phase of the 90s pretty much won't be mentioned here...although that was awesome people! )

*other; there's no such word as nother.

Also add Guns N Roses' "November Rain" as a non-happy song, and don't forget Bon Jovi's entire These Days album. Not a single happy song on that.

Nick1976 · 04-01-2018, 09:38 AM

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Other than having talent, you mean?

And Hawk will want the babies aborted.

*other; there's no such word as nother.

Also add Guns N Roses' "November Rain" as a non-happy song, and don't forget Bon Jovi's entire These Days album. Not a single happy song on that.

So, what about Van Halen? GN'R? Crue? They arguably were good songwriters and musicians and also experimented with different styles.
Everything "Hair Metal" did was first explored by Zeppelin, down to the power ballad structure. I also liked the sincerity and lack of irony in hair metal. When grunge and alternative came in, a sense of irony and we-know-better crept into rock that never really left.

Some ugly classism was present in all this too. Metal was the music of lower-class kids (mostly white guys), while grunge and alternative was music that kids from the colleges "approved" of. So college-educated rock critics, for the most part, dismissed the hair bands and offered high-holy praise for grunge.

But that just means they could relate to the latter better on a more cultural level; doesn't necessarily mean it was better. The dismissive attitude of critics is a large reason the music isn't thought of highly today. I'll grant you that the other big reason is the ridiculous hair and clothes the groups wore. But, then again, when didn't pop musicians trade in ridiculous styles?

Speaking of grunge, its politics might have been more "correct" and the lyrics better. But with a few notable exceptions, the songs themselves were simply not as catchy nor as pop-friendly. Which is why by 1998 we had a new wave of Disney-pop that pretty much wiped rock off the map as a cultural force. Permanently.

IMO the 80s/early 90s was the golden era of heavy metal and glam is the most honest genre in all of metal.

Akai · 04-01-2018, 09:45 AM

lol this troll tho

The Batlord · 04-01-2018, 09:58 AM

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So, what about Van Halen? GN'R? Crue? They arguably were good songwriters and musicians and also experimented with different styles.
Everything "Hair Metal" did was first explored by Zeppelin, down to the power ballad structure. I also liked the sincerity and lack of irony in hair metal. When grunge and alternative came in, a sense of irony and we-know-better crept into rock that never really left.

Some ugly classism was present in all this too. Metal was the music of lower-class kids (mostly white guys), while grunge and alternative was music that kids from the colleges "approved" of. So college-educated rock critics, for the most part, dismissed the hair bands and offered high-holy praise for grunge.

But that just means they could relate to the latter better on a more cultural level; doesn't necessarily mean it was better. The dismissive attitude of critics is a large reason the music isn't thought of highly today. I'll grant you that the other big reason is the ridiculous hair and clothes the groups wore. But, then again, when didn't pop musicians trade in ridiculous styles?

Speaking of grunge, its politics might have been more "correct" and the lyrics better. But with a few notable exceptions, the songs themselves were simply not as catchy nor as pop-friendly. Which is why by 1998 we had a new wave of Disney-pop that pretty much wiped rock off the map as a cultural force. Permanently.

IMO the 80s/early 90s was the golden era of heavy metal and glam is the most honest genre in all of metal.

Did Eddie Vedder run over your dog last week or are you just a lunatic?

Trollheart · 04-01-2018, 10:42 AM

Maybe he is Eddie Vedder.

Note: my comment about talent didn't (necessarily) refer to anyone other than Warrant. I had the misfortune to listen to their latest, Louder, Faster, Harder, recently, and it's a real misnomer, unless you append to the title "some of the many things this album is not". They're an embarrassment, and they should be forgotten and just **** off.

Oh, and...

It should be noted I have no time for grunge bands either: I'm a prog head. But your concerns do not worry me in the slightest.

Nick1976 · 04-01-2018, 11:17 AM

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Maybe he is Eddie Vedder.

Note: my comment about talent didn't (necessarily) refer to anyone other than Warrant. I had the misfortune to listen to their latest, Louder, Faster, Harder, recently, and it's a real misnomer, unless you append to the title "some of the many things this album is not". They're an embarrassment, and they should be forgotten and just **** off.

Oh, and...

It should be noted I have no time for grunge bands either: I'm a prog head. But your concerns do not worry me in the slightest.

I love Warrant. Check out their record Dog Eat Dog which many people say is their best work. It got kinda pushed under the rug because it came out right at the grunge explosion, sad because the direction they were headed was really cool. Great songwriter, killer guitarist, and certifiable pussy black hole (once it gets within his range, none can escape). Musically they were a pretty solid pop metal band. Jani Lane was an amazing songwriter .

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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,970	Maybe he is Eddie Vedder. Note: my comment about talent didn't (necessarily) refer to anyone other than Warrant. I had the misfortune to listen to their latest, Louder, Faster, Harder, recently, and it's a real misnomer, unless you append to the title "some of the many things this album is not". They're an embarrassment, and they should be forgotten and just **** off. Oh, and... It should be noted I have no time for grunge bands either: I'm a prog head. But your concerns do not worry me in the slightest. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018