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Zealious 06-07-2005 02:41 PM

To help some understand Screamo
 
Well a couple members here said that they took my input seriously so this week my only post will be this:

"In the early 1990's, the term screamo would be closely aligned with Gravity Records' bands primarily forming on the west coast, particularly in San Diego. Back then they called it emo, a shortened genre title to describe the more EMOtional aspect of bands influenced by hardcore and punk. Early 90's west coast screamo bands include the likes of: Mohinder, Angel Hair, Heroin, and Second Story Window (not to be confused with From a Second Story Window, a western Pennsylvanian metal act), just to name a few.

The problem with this term emo is, when bands such as Sunny Day Real Estate and Texas is the Reason started coming out in the mid 90's, they began using the term emo to describe the emotional aspect of their music and lyrics, and relate it back to their direct influence from hardcore. The problem with that was there was no screaming. I think a main factor in the changing of the "genre" name was to keep these bands' screaming credibility.

The modern term "screamo" as we know it, is first and most closely aligned to the likes of Saetia. In the late 90's, many bands from the east coast began pulling heavy influence from these early 90's Gravity Records bands, but with some modern flair. Modern screamo almost always refers to a group of east coast bands featuring college level kids looking to provoke thought and release their own aggression through the power of music. These bands typically stretched from Massachusetts to Virginia and rarely further west than Philadelphia (with a few exceptions, such as Georgia's Portrait). Although the term is first related to the likes of Saetia, I personally believe that there were lesser known predecessors. For instance, a pre-You&I band known as Instil first started playing shows around 95/96. Around 1997-98, bands such as Saetia, You&I, Usurp Synapse, Jerome's Dream, and Orchid began popping up playing in basements and other tiny establishments to only a few people. I've heard the late 90's screamo criticized as "artsy" and "pretentious," but I think naysayers don't quite understand the intended point of this movement. Normally, when a hardcore/punk kid begins college, he/she starts to understand him/herself better. They will grow bored of the "posicore" crap of the 80's and move to an entirely new genre of music and thought that isn't nearly as socially aware. Rather than abandon their roots in hardcore or punk music, the modern screamo kids wanted to expand on a tired sound and keep themselves socially, politically, and emotionally aware.

The following is a rather short list of screamo bands from this later era that is probably not nearly complete enough (feel free to let me know whom i forgot):

Saetia, Instil, You&I, City of Caterpillar, Songs of Zarathustra, Orchid!, Jerome's Dream, Page99, Forstella Ford, Neil Perry, Usurp Synapse, Joshua Fit for Battle, Portrait, DeadSeraphim, A Trillion Barnacle Lapse, Linus, Red Scare, Reversal of Man, Makara, Racebannon, Hot Cross, Lickgoldensky, This Ship Will Sink, Melt Banana (Japan), Envy (Japan), Welcome the Plague Year, Anodyne, Malady, The Assistant, Mannequin, A Day's Refrain, Transistor Transistor, The Wolves, Ampere, and Bucket Full of Teeth.

It is worth noting that by 2001 or 2002, the majority of these screamo bands disbanded. I think most of the reason can be attributed these kids finishing college and moving in separate directions with their personal, social, political, and emotional agenda. My personal opinion is that a lot of public interest in screamo waned by 2002. Of course many of the first string of modern screamo bands didn't sell out their beliefs of playing till their hearts stopped. Hot Cross, for instance, features ex-members of You&I and Saetia. The Assistant also featured former members of You&I. Bucket Full of Teeth, The Wolves, and Ampere all feature(d) ex-members of Orchid. Malady features former members of Page99 and City of Caterpillar. These more current bands still carry on with the screamo aesthetic, but with more maturity due to the fact that they're older and wiser now.

To boot, there are bands now that are heavily influenced by screamo that also help to carry the torch, including (but not limited to), Circle takes the Square, I would set Myself on Fire for you, Since by Man, and The Locust. Unfortunately, I think the growing popularity in bands like Since by Man and The Locust have forced their later releases into a sort of "accesible screamo" which in and of itself is an oxymoron.

I think when you kids argue over the screamo-ness of any particularly popular outfit, you're entirely missing the point. Finch, Thrice, FATA, Poison the Well, and especially Thursday are all well rounded musicians. The members of these bands enjoy products of many underground revolutions, including, but not limited to, screamo. These bands happen to use the emotional aspect without embracing the "arty pretense." For instance, Thursday, being from New Brunswick, played many of their first shows with You&I. They count You&I highly on the influence list. When listening to Thursday, their "Full Collapse" album sounds particularly screamo (moreso than the other bands' albums). I think Thursday's singer takes 3 main aspects from his bretheren in You&I: vocal patterning, vocal layering, and lyrical content. When Geoff Rickley decides to use 2 or more separate vocal patterns at once, they juxtapose each other beautifully. This is a page from You&I. A band like Finch or Thrice will do this much more subtly than Thursday. Extra vocals for these bands are more in the background, but the emotionally and socially aware conscience remains. Poison the Well's first album used a lot of screaming over clean parts, a concept first put into place by screamo bands. FATA I don't even want to touch base on because to me, they're more metal than screamo. I think people use the tone of the drummer's ****ty whiny voice to align it with screamo, when in reality it draws no parallel to screamo music. Keep in mind that although I haven't touched base on most of the bands you mentioned (ie atreyu, alexisonfire), they're not screamo. I think a good tool for measurement would be: If you've heard of them, they're not screamo. Screamo isn't about the genre, or the money, or the touring, or the girls, or the chops, or the fashion. It was about the music and the moment. I think, for the most part, "the moment" is gone and most bands considered to be blatantly screamo are just retreading a path already carved. It's sad to say I missed out on most of what these bands were doing at the time they were doing them. I'll have to tend to agree with previous posts that say not to really call it screamo. These bands weren't doing it because it was screamo. They were doing it for themselves.

Read it and have fun in this dissipated so called "emo" forum.

Electric Ocean 06-07-2005 03:18 PM

I commend you for this post, sir. I've only just come across this forum and the lack of knowledge for a supposed "emo" forum atrocious, so much so that I complained in the "Top 10 Bands" thread. If you believe that any bands currently in rotation on MTV and the like are emo/screamo, I urge you to read the above post and checking out the key bands to get a good idea of the general sound/feeling/attitude of the genre. If you still require more information visit:

www.fourfa.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo

These sites contain much of what Zealious said but with some added history/definitions. If anyone is still is unsure of what emo is or finds it hard to find some mp3's I'm even prepared to upload some of the key bands for you.

riseagainstrocks 06-07-2005 05:42 PM

The Locust being scremo??? your joking. there is no emotion to that. Just dissonance and political rants.

Well written article though.

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe 06-07-2005 05:53 PM

:clap:

thank you. a definition of "emo" was definately needed here.

who wrote that by the way....you?

EDGE 06-07-2005 06:13 PM

Bravo.
Though, I didn't read this word for word.


Work with me here. :usehead:

Electric Ocean 06-07-2005 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks
The Locust being scremo??? your joking. there is no emotion to that. Just dissonance and political rants.

Well written article though.

He just said thhat they have influences, I wouldn't call them Screamo either, pretty far from it infact. They're just a noise/spazz/grind band with electronics. Some people might call them "White Belt" grind, though thats not a real genre or anything.

David Frost 06-07-2005 09:42 PM

many of locusts side projects along with ALL of their old stuff on vinyl is emo. even there new stuff resembles more emo than taking back sunday ect...

Electric Ocean 06-08-2005 09:29 AM

To give this thread a bit more substance I've uploaded some Mp3's. They're mostly of recently split or currently existant bands although I've thrown a few old things in too e.g. Indian Summer, Antioch Arrow. Check out a few of these bands as they capture the Emo/Screamo aesthetic quite well. Most have hard fast screamy parts contrasted with twinkly, almost post-rockesque parts. This stuff should give you a basic idea of the general sound of emo:

City Of Caterpillar - ...And You're Wondering How A Top Floor Could Replace Heaven

Saetia - The Poet You Never Were

Saetia -
Venus & Bacchus


Hot Cross - Fortune Teller

I Would Set Myself On Fire For You - The First Word That Comes To Mind

Trophy Scars - Designed Like Dice (Crickets In Tune)

Circle Takes The Square - A Non-Objective Portrait Of Karma

Indian Summer - Angry Son

Antioch Arrow - In Love With Jetts

Though some of these artists might not be the most accesible music, it's meant to be emotional not poppy but I promise you, with this type of music you get out what you put in, just listen to it a few times and be open minded. If you're looking for the most accesible artists here, I'd reccomend you Hot Cross, Indian Summer and Trophy Scars as they are a good, not too harsh introduction to the genre.

Anyway if you're unsure check out these songs and try to persist with them. If this post only manages to make one or two of you understand/appreiciate this little known and often over looked genre then that's all I set out to do. :thumb:

riseagainstrocks 06-08-2005 11:15 AM

^Thanks for doing that, i've been looking all over the place for some COC.

Trauma 06-08-2005 11:47 AM

^
^
I guess you're sticking to your word Electric Ocean, tell these kids about emo.
Not "emo".
Zealious, I appreciate your words, but most others see this forum as a place to dis "emo" bands.

ArtistInTheAmbulance 06-08-2005 12:02 PM

Hey Electric Ocean thanks for all that by the way... Tis very helpful.

Electric Ocean 06-08-2005 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks
^Thanks for doing that, i've been looking all over the place for some COC.

No probs, I can upload the whole album if you want it.

(P.S. Your statement was ripe with innuendo :) )

hiu 06-08-2005 02:07 PM

Your from mx as well amirite?

Electric Ocean 06-08-2005 02:15 PM

u r rite, This place seems to suck in comparison though :upset:

riseagainstrocks 06-08-2005 02:17 PM

far to true haha

Electric Ocean 06-08-2005 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks
far to true haha

You from MX too?

riseagainstrocks 06-08-2005 02:29 PM

at the risk of sounding stupid for the second time in as many days, what's MX?

Electric Ocean 06-08-2005 02:33 PM

It's another music forum and I was assuming from your comment that you may be suggesting it was better than here, oh well, nevermind. Would you like me to upload that City Of Caterpillar album?

riseagainstrocks 06-08-2005 02:38 PM

It was from the COC having several possible...connataions. Nah, I'll go buy it. I hate having downloaded music

Electric Ocean 06-08-2005 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks
It was from the COC having several possible...connataions. Nah, I'll go buy it. I hate having downloaded music

Haha, yeah I guessed it was that if you weren't referring to the MX thing. And I'm pretty sure www.interpunk.com has it incase you can't find it.

Trauma 06-08-2005 02:53 PM

Yeah man, I've never heard CoC, they're frickin' awesome, I guess they broke up though..
MMhmmm, mx.net is where I get all my tabs from.
Seriously though, it's not better than here...
I was on that forum for three posts and couldn't take its 120,000 members or whatever.

Yeah, thanks for uploading that stuff too, I haven't heard some of it.

ArtistInTheAmbulance 06-08-2005 02:55 PM

I couldnt stick it at MX. Theyre so anti-newbies its annoying. But whatever, screamo topic..

hiu 06-08-2005 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArtistInTheAmbulance
I couldnt stick it at MX. Theyre so anti-newbies its annoying. But whatever, screamo topic..

Just as long as you don't post really stupid shit you would be fine. Electric Ocean is about one of the best newbies I have seen post their in my year or so I have been there.

hookers with machineguns 11-07-2005 09:50 PM

Just dug up a good thread for you guys to read.

One thing Z, Melt Banana is more of a noise band. Awesome regardless.

Usurp Synapse, Orchid, Pg. 99, Joshua Fit For Battle, Reversal of Man, Amanda Woodward are my reco's.

xXBLOODbrothersXx 11-17-2005 08:30 PM

wow! i'm spechless over whoever wrote that
thank you to who ever did

MyWhiteInside 12-18-2005 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snickers
^
^
I guess you're sticking to your word Electric Ocean, tell these kids about emo.
Not "emo".
Zealious, I appreciate your words, but most others see this forum as a place to dis "emo" bands.

i went to a concert....Amniyt Affliction and smashed all the emo kids they are so weak and wimpy

sleepy jack 12-18-2005 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyWhiteInside
i went to a concert....Amniyt Affliction and smashed all the emo kids they are so weak and wimpy

Oh great! Bullying at shows is awesome.

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe 12-18-2005 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyWhiteInside
i went to a concert....Amniyt Affliction and smashed all the emo kids they are so weak and wimpy

im glad to know you have no respect whatsoever.

sleepy jack 01-22-2006 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Electric Ocean
He just said thhat they have influences, I wouldn't call them Screamo either, pretty far from it infact. They're just a noise/spazz/grind band with electronics. Some people might call them "White Belt" grind, though thats not a real genre or anything.

Spazz isn't a genre either, unless you a dumb scene kid reffering to the daughters. I suppose you can call a band spazzy just like calling them screamy, but when you put spazz infront of a genre its just getting genre anal and stupid. Spazzcore is almost as dumb as pop punk with screaming.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArtistInTheAmbulance
Hey Electric Ocean thanks for all that by the way... Tis very helpful.

He didn't write it, he just copied it from MX...

Electric Ocean 01-23-2006 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowquill
Spazz isn't a genre either, unless you a dumb scene kid reffering to the daughters. I suppose you can call a band spazzy just like calling them screamy, but when you put spazz infront of a genre its just getting genre anal and stupid. Spazzcore is almost as dumb as pop punk with screaming.

I meant they sound "spazzy", I don't really know how to sum that up but I just meant the sort of vibe they give off, I never said it was a genre.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowquill
He didn't write it, he just copied it from MX...

She was talking about the songs I uploaded in this thread...

And I know I copied alot of that stuff in the other thread I made from MX but it isn't as if I didn't specifically state that in the post and I even asked when I posted there if it was OK to copy it. I only posted it here coz I guessed it'd be helpful because there was much less real emo discussion here then, than there is now.

sleepy jack 01-23-2006 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Electric Ocean
I meant they sound "spazzy", I don't really know how to sum that up but I just meant the sort of vibe they give off, I never said it was a genre.




She was talking about the songs I uploaded in this thread...

And I know I copied alot of that stuff in the other thread I made from MX but it isn't as if I didn't specifically state that in the post and I even asked when I posted there if it was OK to copy it. I only posted it here coz I guessed it'd be helpful because there was much less real emo discussion here then, than there is now.


Fair enough to that, I thought she was reffering to your other thread and I believe you did state it was from MX and i thought she was congratulating you on that and i was just pointing out you didnt actually do it and theres about to be an emo education thread made once riseagainstrocks PMs me back with the grammar corrections.

incesticide 02-04-2006 06:50 AM

Speaking of screamo..

Isn't Underoath a christian band?

riseagainstrocks 02-04-2006 10:09 AM

yes. And how is that speaking of Screamo?

and how are they Screamo?

incesticide 02-06-2006 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks
yes. And how is that speaking of Screamo?

and how are they Screamo?

They definitly aren't soft rock now are they. I dont know what you'd catagorize them as, but as for me, they're screamo.

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe 02-06-2006 07:10 PM

newer underoath, id say its pop punk with a screamo influence. ive even heard people here call their older stuff metalcore. im not so sure about that, but ive got a pretty good idea on their new stuff.

sleepy jack 02-06-2006 07:48 PM

Old stuff is metalcore, and they slowly became a second wave post hardcore band. Its to screamy to be pop punk and its not punk enough to be it either. Either way they aren't christian at all anymore, and the band has changed alot (member wise).

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe 02-06-2006 07:51 PM

^contradictory to that...i saw them at warped last year, and they said that they "do everything they do in the name of christ".

so aparently they are somewhat christian.

sleepy jack 02-06-2006 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe
^contradictory to that...i saw them at warped last year, and they said that they "do everything they do in the name of christ".

so aparently they are somewhat christian.

Thats not true at all, the album on their first lyrics are very christian. On "They're Only Chasing Safety" they aren't at all, they're typical "emo" lyrics.

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe 02-06-2006 08:09 PM

i never said their lyrics were christian. i said that the band actually told their audience that they do everything they do in the name of christ. that has absolutely nothing to do with their lyrics.

sleepy jack 02-06-2006 08:13 PM

When I said "either way they aren't christian at all anymore" I was reffering to the music.


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