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Old 07-12-2008, 02:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Yes they were Punk If you hear their early stuff such as the Wasrsaw EP.And It's pretty tacky to associate them with the Goth movement because ever goth band has tried to rip them off and every goth band did it horribly. Plus goth music just sucks.
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Plus goth music just sucks.
No it doesn't...see Bauhaus.
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Old 07-12-2008, 02:41 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I have the Bela Lugosi's Dead single and Mask. Bela Lugosi's Dead is an amazing track other than that i'm not impressed at all.
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Yes they were Punk If you hear their early stuff such as the Wasrsaw EP.And It's pretty tacky to associate them with the Goth movement because ever goth band has tried to rip them off and every goth band did it horribly. Plus goth music just sucks.
No...they were not, I repeat, not punk. They started out very early on playing a very peculiar (and extremely mediocre) form of punk/art punk, yes, but the music they are actually known for is simply not punk and there's no way around it.

Music journalist Jon Savage, one of the screenwriters of the recent 2008 Joy Division documentary, probably put it best when he said:

"Joy Division were not punk but were directly inspired by its energy."

They moved away from their punk rock influences pretty early on and created the dark, sinister sound that is their trademark - in the process, becoming one of the most important initiators of the Post-Punk movement. Their best known song, Love Will Tear Us Apart, is pretty much Synth-Pop.
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Please dont talk to me like I know nothing of the band.


You misunderstood me I said they 'were' as they were once punk as in when they first started out.
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Old 07-12-2008, 06:19 AM   #6 (permalink)
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You misunderstood me I said they 'were' as they were once punk as in when they first started out.
The dude wasn't talking about their early stuff. He was talking about the band generally. So he was quite right, but you corrected him all the same for some reason.

With that said, the "goth" part was pretty off...I wonder where that idea came from...
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"Joy Division were not punk but were directly inspired by its energy."
Which pretty much sums up any post punk band.

All this talk of punk & goth must have been done by deaf people.
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Yes they were Punk If you hear their early stuff such as the Wasrsaw EP.And It's pretty tacky to associate them with the Goth movement because ever goth band has tried to rip them off and every goth band did it horribly. Plus goth music just sucks.

I have Warsaw, Closer, Unknown Pleasures and the rest, they weren't "punk" IMHO. Well, maybe back then, as there wasn't really a proper category to put them in?

I disagree that Goth music "sucks". Lots of great bands, not everyone ripped off JD. Bauhaus, the Cure, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Lords of the new church, March Violets, etc are all great too. Its the stuff past 92-ish that "sucked".

By the way: She's lost Control is a fantastic JD jam too.
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Yes they were Punk If you hear their early stuff such as the Wasrsaw EP.
No, it was not...and I have that EP. It was darker, MUCH darker than most things of that time period. Not "punk" in any way.

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And It's pretty tacky to associate them with the Goth movement because ever goth band has tried to rip them off and every goth band did it horribly.
I seriously doubt "every goth band" ripped them off?

Bauhaus did? how so? weren't they out Before JD?

Christian Death did? how so?

How did Killing Joke rip them off?

Or the Bolshoi? Red Lorry yellow Lorry? The March Violets? Alien Sex Fiend?


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maybe Now? yes...not then, and certainly it all "doesn't suck".

LOTS of wonderful bands from the genre(mostly pre 1992) that are excellent, and fun to listen to. Some of the bands today could learn a thing or 2 from these goth bands of yesteryear?

May I suggest:

Sisters Of Mercy
The Bolshoi
Christian Death
The Shroud
Virgin Prunes
Nick Cave


for you to listen to?
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Joy Division are one my favorite bands of all time, my favorite song being New Dawn Fades.
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