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The clubs ill be using look a little bit like so...Scott's Clubs

So what happens when a Lion knocks over a Zebra for dinner?

Is it really that different?

The only thing about hunting is a lot of the time the food is wasted..they just want to kill the buck for the horns

have you ever tried killing a poow innocent bunny wabbit?

Lespaul, thats my problem with hunting too. Slaying some Elephant for it's tusks is worse than almost all other things.

I say hunting unendangered species is alright provided they aren't killed for the hell of it, as in you'll actually make use of them.

However, hunting any remotely endangered species is not cool.

Hey, for every one bunny a human kills, 14 more are doing each other in some little den to make more.

is that a yes or a no?

Ive killed bunnys...its not very hard...who when they werent little didnt try to throw rocks and kill all small animals...normally didnt work out..but we all used to...Yeah..:rolleyes: used to.....

Yeah only once.

I don't agree with eating meat, but I know I'm a total minority there, so I won't even try to give my full opinion on that.

The way the animals are killed in a slaughter house is truly horrifying.

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Hunting just for sport/trophies is kind of silly. Haven't we already proven our dominion over animals many times over?
Now, that being said, you can hunt for trophies and use the meat/skin, too. Most people I know around here that hunt do that. It's liscenced and regulated, so I don't see a problem. Deer sausage is good.
Hunting is not inherently wrong. It's one of the basics of mankind. Man was around along time before farming was invented.

hahaha...damn...that was a bit weird...fixed now...

Killing elephant or rhinos for tusks is something that's been going on for centuries probably. And while I know it's wrong and am firmly against poaching I can't help but think it's something of a lost cause because
1) the area is too large for someone to always surveill the entire area.
2) most reserve parks for endgangered animals aren't always beneficial tot he animal. Sure it protects them from poachers but not from it's natural predators. Case in point, cheetahs are endangered and any found in the wild are quickly put on a reserve where they are hunted down by their predators and killed anyway.
3) these animals are gonna die one way or another.

And a lot of game animals (animals that are hunted) legally are overpopulating the area, so whether they're dead bodies are used or not doesn't matter because it's one less animal we have to worry about wandering ouside a forest, into a town, and then becoming roadkill.
Two years ago, I had a teacher late to work because he hit a deer. During that same year, a ton of other people had delays because of deer crossing raods in packs at one point. You have no idea what kind of danger that can cause. Deer hunting season was plentiful that year, to say the least

And if you guys are this much against killing animals unless you're making good use of them, I suppose yuo guys are also against zoos, aquariums and circuses as well.
Hunting an animal to kill it, is really no different than dirving an animal insane and then it just kills itself or poses a danger to itself, other ranimals and is then laid to rest as a result.

^ Hahah Fish are not mammals. They are in a different Kingdom. *see title* Besides aquariums are good for fish, they kinda don't get eaten =).

The New Jersey State Aquarium houes more than just fish. They have polar bears, seals, dolphins (i think) and as of recently hippos. None of these creatures are fish.
And to my knowledge sharks eat fish and any shark in any aquarium eats fish. So yeah fish kinda do get eaten.

^ LOl Your aquarium is dense. Ours Keepes the different levels of fish, seperate. Oh we do have penquins too.....=/.

Either way aquariums are home to more than just fish.
And the NJ aquarium is one of the more popular aquariums in my area. Unless New York has one I most likely don't know about.

Hunting is fine. Hunting for sport is dumb in my opinion but hunting for food is totally alright. The animals are just that. Animals. They have no soul. It's ok to kill them. As someone else mentioned earlier (forget who) FOOD CHAIN. That's the way it works. They die anyways. Plus God gave us the animals for food and said it's ok to eat them. But that's a whole different discussion.

God made them for us to eat? Explains why adam was killing everything left and right and you know, not getting along with the animals or anything.

Genesis 1 verses 20-31,the whole god creating animals/man thing. The only reference she makes to food is "I give you every seed-bearnig plant on the face of the whole and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food" and "I give every green plant for food".

Humans are animals, but i'll let that pass seeing as I know what you mean. As for animals having no souls (if souls exist), why don't they? Is it cause they can't talk? Well I suppose every mute has no soul either.

Yes, I am. Wild animals should not be put on show for our entertainment.

And you are not vegetarian if you eat fish, call yourself 'semi-vegetarian' if it helps to ease your guilty conscience, but at the end of the day fish have feelings and it hurts when someone sticks a hook down your throat and pulls.

potato, please give me solid proof that an animal has no soul. Have you ever asked one?

Cause you know, its not humans fault at all that alot of these animals are endangered. :rolleyes:

Its really not that hard to avoid a deer, and it takes not even 10 seconds out of your day to stop it and let it cross the road.

How would you feel if you saw a kid that got no pay, and was only fed but kept in a cage and forced to entertain night after night? I'm completely against animal abuse and forcing them to do that kinf of thing. And really you saying that doesn't prove anything if i'm already against it.

Crowquill, I'm too tired to start that discussion right now but if you really want to know what I mean by what I said and what I base it on PM me.

as you all said, humans are animals, well then we are like the other carnivors out there, that is why humans have canines, to eat meat

LOL! we're omnivores smart one. Meaning we eat both animals and plants, we're almost detritivores because we don't eat things that are very fresh they are dead so they must be decomposing.


But really this is a topic that it just has to be put to each his/her own. Nobody is going to sway from their opinion from this it would take something else to give them a nudge into either direction.

what ever, you guys know what i mean, i was thinking it was omnivores but wasnt sure at the moment, so i said carnivor

Humans can only do but so much to protect endangered species even if they do care. The point of wildlife reservations is to protect animals from poachers. But do you know that most animals put into these reservations by humans for their own protection are also putting them in an enlcosed space with a great deal of their predators?
Hence the reasons cheetahs are going extinct

And this is one of those cases where hunting is encessary because the deer population abuot two year ago was so large you could hardly drive trying to avoid herds of deer. Especially late at night. Imagine being on a two lane road at 9 in the evening and you and everyone else is driving 60 mph/ And then imagine a deer coming out nowhere. You do not wanna know how many cars slowed and swerved and how many near death experiences we had.
Although in most cases the deer either died or survived. But in all cases there was at least one injured person.

You make it sound like I'm trying to sway you to my side of thinking.
In any event, very few things would sway me from my way of thinking.
You being vegetarian doesn't mean anything. It won't stop an owl from eating a guinea pig or me from eating a the owl (if necessary).
Once again one of my interepretations of survival of the fittest: if it's strong enough, it'll survive my predatory advances. If not, it gets eaten.
And your anology was kinda poor. There are several laws that protect people from these of degredation and ways of punishing it.
However, I realize laws are made to be broken and the most I can say is: we can't save everybody

You missed my point completely, alot of these animals are endangered to begin with because of humans.

If there was that many deer, there would be a sign on it, but of course, signs aren't there for any paticular reason. This story, seems extremely made up, where did this happen?

Let me get this straight, just because you can kill it and eat it you should kill it and eat it? Thats disgusting, and another thing just because you can't save everybody doesn't mean you can't save anybody. Also, survival of the fittest? Just because we have the guns doesn't mean we should go shoot up anything with lets and, i'm fine with people eating meat, i'm not some vega-nazi. Potatos reason was just stupid, I called him/her on it.

Not every endangered specie is endangered ebcause of humans. The one point I was trying to make.


Isolated season to my knowledge, so few people had gone hunting that year that there were more deer than usual. And there were signs at this particular road indicating that deer may cross. But I hardly doubt we were prepared for the herds that did cross (emphasis on herds).

If I can kill it and eat it, I will kill it and eat it. The fact is I ened emat in my diet and if I were to say resort to cannibalism as a means to acquire meat (if encessary) we'd be debating about that as well. So let's agree to disagree.
And take it from me, you don't need a gun to kill something. Sometimes you don't need any weapon. Just your bare hands. You'r be suprised what people will do out of desperation and or just for food.
And I love people that don't eat meat. More variety if you ask me. So now I've got meat, I've got boca burgers, and tofu, and who knows what they'll come up with next.

I never said all.


Once again, where at, and once again your making this story sound more fake. I really doubt there would be such a decrease in hunters that it became as out of control as you make it sound.

k, sounds fine.

Nah, try going up against a mountain lion, or a shark or a bear or a bull or a porcupine with just your bear hands and will see how long you last. Humans aren't superior in everything contrary to what they think.

It was abuot two years ago adn there maybe 9 -13 incidents where a relatively large number of deer had crossed the road in the middle of the night just a little after rush hour. In one article a woman had said it was a large herd that attacked her car.
I know for a fact they didn't attack her car, nor would they but the amount of blood on her car supported the belief that she hit at least two deer. We already kenw she killed one. It was on the road.
Several other deer had been run over as well.

Back in japan, i used to fish for shark. You could probably pull a bay shark out of the water wiht your bare hands if you were fast enough. The younger they are the stupider they are.
And I have no desire to kill bears.
If you've ever gone camping out in PA, you see them all the time. Just don't provoke them and you won't be in danger. However, I'm not known for my common sense and Iw kill anything for food, specifically for my food. But no, I've never had to kill a bear or protect myself from a bear.
And why the hell would I want to hurt a porcupine? Bulls are different. I'll agree that they are used, granted I've seen bull riders and such but come on. That's just wrong. I'd rather just shoot em. Give them more dignity in death.
And I was referring to owls, snakes, and other birds. You don't enceessarily need a gun. Just good hand eye coordination and speed.
Although I highly recommend you never try to kill an owl without a weapon.

Your avoiding the question. Where was this at.


Okay, you've proven my point. Humans aren't superior to everything.

I voted Yes, but only because of the sports thing. If there would have been 2 seperate polls, one for do you think hunting is wrong for food? and Do you think hunting is wrong for sport? I would have voted No for the first one and Yes for the second.

But I think that hunting for sport is the cruellest thing imaginable, so I had to vote Yes.

meh call me an idiot, but i like animals more than humans. i tend to put them above humans.

hunting is wrong. i hate blood sports, when those guys with a pack of dogs chase a fox and watch the dogs rip it to shreds. as ricky gervais said, (paraphrasing) "something in their psychology makes them want to watch an innocent living thing die a horrible bloody death, they enjoy that. they would like it if it was a robot."

outranking?? are we still talking about a living, feeling thing here? jesus.

i have no respect for people who take part in or condone hunting.
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yep.. im not even gonna comment on that

I hate it when people say stuff like this.

Also when they say that by not eating meat, we aren't stopping animals from being killed. I don't eat meat because I like animals so I don't really want to eat dead ones. Also the thought of parts of a dead body on a plate is revolting to me.

Actually, making tools is what sets us apart. We have bigger brains and can solve complex problems. That and art. Maybe superior is the wrong word here, how about advanced?

PS...If I had bear hands, I could at least take out that porcupine. :P

Sorry. I thought I said PA. Most occured out in the Pottstown area, at least 3 happened in Philly (Valley Forge and around the Belmont Area), And there the others happened on roads leading out to the Poconos from Philly.
So you have a better idea this is all on the Eastern side of the state.

Which is also to say that if the animal is strong enough it'll survive, adn that you don't need a gun. Which is what I was trying to say.

fact is a lot of extremist animal rights people use this as a reason for why they don't eat meat. I've met too many in my lifetime not to know. At any rate, I was overgeneralizing.

Crowquill did not make the last statement.

so you have your uses after all