The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (country, single, Europe, American)

Sweet Jane · 01-16-2005, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LedZepStu

englands a ****hole too. i hate the way we've become americas extra state.

God, don't say that. I know its getting that way but its not that bad yet. Blair did seem a bit taken in by all the excitment over going to war, I think he wants to run America to be honest.

hookers with machineguns · 01-16-2005, 03:42 PM

Honestly the way I see this entire topic is that it's fine to hate America, because yes America has serious issues, but your respective countries are no better, socially, politically, or morally. I don't care how much someone hates Bush, because that is not a good enough reason to hate the entire country. We're not here to compete which countries are better. And, can you judge a country just based on what you see on your local news, which as someone pointed out, is biased and scewed? If we're gonna talk "objectively", then it's difficult to comprehend someone who merely hates America for our foreign policy "fall-out".

franscar · 01-16-2005, 03:44 PM

Which is why I said I don't hate Americans, it just tends to be the people they elect.

hookers with machineguns · 01-16-2005, 05:45 PM

^Right on. But, there aren't too many good guys that can run for office. I don't personally think Kerry would have been any better, because essentially he had the same position on the major issues, but his attempt to appeal to both sides didn't sit well with hardcore liberals. I dunno if you kept up with the Democratic Primaries, but I really liked Dennis Kucinich (I think I was the only one), Al Sharpton, and Howard Dean- pretty much the extreme liberals. I don't consider myself a liberal but these guys were (in my opinion) the best of the worst. Out of the GOP, I really would like to see John McCain run again, I think most would agree. Almost everyone I know has positive things to say about him.

IamAlejo · 01-16-2005, 05:48 PM

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Is that really the only two choices you think the US have considered? Helping out when there is something to be gained or not at all?
What about getting involved in the countries who are in similar trouble to what happened in Iraq but who don't have any oil or any other way they could pay your country back?

Like the thousands of troops we have in Africa? And no, I didn't say that was the only two...I asked you which of those two do you believe is better?

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Which is why I said I don't hate Americans, it just tends to be the people they elect.

Question: So do you hate America?

franscar · 01-16-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAlejo

Question: So do you hate America?

No. I do not. It is my favoured holiday destination, because the people are so friendly and the shopping is so incredibly cheap.

Sneer · 01-17-2005, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Jane

God, don't say that. I know its getting that way but its not that bad yet. Blair did seem a bit taken in by all the excitment over going to war, I think he wants to run America to be honest.

seems we have two options..join brussells or join america. both suck

franscar · 01-17-2005, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LedZepStu

seems we have two options..join brussells or join america. both suck

Nah, the European super state won't go ahead, not with Britain's full involvement anyway. Gordon Brown is much too smart an economist to let Britain go down such a disastrous road, I'm 99% sure he's just using the Blair idea of being the centre of Europe to eventually bolster his own position when he decides to take over Labour.

Joining the Euro won't happen either, makes absolutely no sense in our current economic position, and the government is aware of this.

.angie. · 01-17-2005, 03:54 PM

everyone hates america because one: george bush is a horrid president, and two: america seems to think it is dominant over every other country in the world, and that is why the middle east hates us.. i think, but still, its dumb how we think we are doing better than any other country when we arent, the war, and we have a bad economy, and its just retarded

CrAzyBeAuTiFul · 01-17-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAlejo

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Yeah.... but when have those 3-9 months u need to watch and keep eye on the child ,also feeding[breast]... stuff like that changing diapers dont have time to watch the diet frequently being awaken at weird times when baby needs assistance,... its not nearly enough time to get back into ur old habits...also craving for food when pregent still use to those habits...

01-16-2005, 03:42 PM	#482 (permalink)
hookers with machineguns Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,753	Honestly the way I see this entire topic is that it's fine to hate America, because yes America has serious issues, but your respective countries are no better, socially, politically, or morally. I don't care how much someone hates Bush, because that is not a good enough reason to hate the entire country. We're not here to compete which countries are better. And, can you judge a country just based on what you see on your local news, which as someone pointed out, is biased and scewed? If we're gonna talk "objectively", then it's difficult to comprehend someone who merely hates America for our foreign policy "fall-out". __________________ LASTFM

01-16-2005, 05:45 PM	#484 (permalink)
hookers with machineguns Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,753	^Right on. But, there aren't too many good guys that can run for office. I don't personally think Kerry would have been any better, because essentially he had the same position on the major issues, but his attempt to appeal to both sides didn't sit well with hardcore liberals. I dunno if you kept up with the Democratic Primaries, but I really liked Dennis Kucinich (I think I was the only one), Al Sharpton, and Howard Dean- pretty much the extreme liberals. I don't consider myself a liberal but these guys were (in my opinion) the best of the worst. Out of the GOP, I really would like to see John McCain run again, I think most would agree. Almost everyone I know has positive things to say about him. __________________ LASTFM

01-16-2005, 03:44 PM	#483 (permalink)
franscar Honky Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Birmingham Posts: 665	Which is why I said I don't hate Americans, it just tends to be the people they elect.

01-17-2005, 03:54 PM	#489 (permalink)
.angie. contrast&compare. Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 661	everyone hates america because one: george bush is a horrid president, and two: america seems to think it is dominant over every other country in the world, and that is why the middle east hates us.. i think, but still, its dumb how we think we are doing better than any other country when we arent, the war, and we have a bad economy, and its just retarded