so now north korea has "apologized" for their nuclear test and has "promised" not to do it again (after previously informing their good buddy china otherwise). there has already been legislation on the books for several years stating that if north korea performed any nuclear tests then the US and Japan would "deal with them" (im paraphrasing), but no one seems/wants to acknowledge it b/c if they did, then we would have to go to war with north korea, thus stretching ourselves even thinner, considering we are still at war in iraq and afghanistan.

The Official Political Rant Thread
 

So this is the place to get out all of your pent up political aggression. No more spamming other threads with your (my or Raine's) crackpot political views. Well today is election day. It is a distinct possibility that Republicans could lose control of Congress. And if I hear the words "Speaker of the House Pelosi" I may go on a shooting spree.

When I give my political views, people usually tell me I'm young and ignorant, have to shut up, and get back to them when I'm older. I guess I don't know much about politics, so perhaps I'll pick up something here...

One thing I do know, I do not like Bush.

any particular reason, or do you just think he's ugly?

I just saw that George Galloway is speaking at Birmingham Uni for some anti-Islamophobia evening this week. If I'm well I think I might go along as the topic interests me (as more members of my close family are practising muslims than are practising christians and my girlfriend's family are originally from Bangladesh).

HOWEVER, I'm still not sure where I stand with regards to George Galloway. I used to think he was awesome (about 5 years ago), then I thought he was a twat (on big brother) and now I'm not sure whether he's a great politician, a rubbish politician, a loser, a tosser, an asshole, a fool or a genius*. Probably a combination of all of them.

*He's definitely a bully, but then many politicians deserve a good bullying. He also tend to be quite annoying, but at the same time I think I agree with the majority of political points he makes so I don't know whether I should like him, hate him or feel ambivalent.

What does anybody else think of him?

I actually don't even think he is that ugly. Not attractive either, but hey.


What I do not like about Bush is the way he seems to want to try to do what his father didn't do. I think the reason Bush Senior never tried to do anything about Saddam's regime, was because he knew it would get out of hand. No here we have Bush jr. who does it anyway and messes up stuff.

I also think he should fund/allow testing on embryo's, along with abortions. But probably the only reason he doesn't, is because the really religious people wouldn't be on his side anymore. From what I've heard, it's really the most important thing people look at when voting...

I think the guy is an attention whore.

Whatever good points about him have been totally lost during his media whoring / saddam ass kissing in my opinion.

I`m all for people having sympathy for the Iraqi people and being critical of the US & UK actions for what they do in Iraq..

I just don`t see how you can do this by being filmed cozying up to Saddam & kissing his ass.

im not all that familiar with him, but from what i hear he's somewhat of a socialist (which isnt necessarily a bad thing). but he's pro g@y and abortion, which is a no-no in my book. but he has been against Saddam Hussein all along, even when US and Britain supported him back in the day (which shows incredible forsesight)

so you enjoy murdering babies?

Dunno where you got this , does this sound like someone who is against Saddam?

In 1994, Galloway faced some of his strongest criticism on his return from a Middle-Eastern visit during which he had met Saddam Hussein "to try and bring about an end to sanctions, suffering and war." At the meeting, he reported the support given to Saddam by the people of the Gaza Strip and infamously ended his speech with the phrase "Sir: I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability.Additionally he said "hatta al-nasr, hatta al-nasr, hatta al-Quds" (Arabic for "until victory, until victory, until Jerusalem"). When later pressed to explain why he would make such a speech, he claimed he had been addressing the Iraqi people as a whole. Critics have asked why, if this was the case, he later in the speech said "I have been to Palestine and they are naming children after you," with the babies identified as 'Saddam'

^wikipedia

I don't see abortion as murdering babies. For starters, the babies are not independant yet, it's a part of your body, I see an abortion about the same way as cutting your nails.

Then again, I understand people saying, that it will eventually be a human being. But my view about that, is that most people wanting an abortion, want it because they can't take care of their baby. And the baby would probably be better of not being born, than being born to (for instance) a teen.

Then you have people saying that people will use abortion as birthcontrol. But that's the fault of the government. They do not give proper sex education in America. And I don't think teens can get the pill behind their parents back right? If you started with improving those two, you'd have fewer unwanted pregnancies, and THEN I think it's fair to make abortion illegal.

I myself think it should be a person's own choice. Rather than a choice made by the government.

(in reference to Urban and Oojay's posts)
Well, looking at those two I get the feeling that (I've I've judged it correctly, which maybe I haven't) that Galloway does tend to go in the right direction, in terms of what he's trying to achieve, but goes about it in an often extremely clumsy way.

Galloway wasn't responsible for supporting Saddam's regime in the 1980's, the UK and US governments did that. Then, when our governments decide they don't want to be associated with the regime and impose sanctions instead, Galloway is the one who goes over to start a dialogue to try to improve the situation. Well, that's one way of looking at it at least.

If you take it in this way, the main problem with Galloway is that whatever he tries to do, he tends to **** it up because he's not the most subtle or tactful guy. When he tries tact, he only makes it worse (with quotes such as the 'naming their babies after you' one).

whens the last time your fingernails had a brain or a heartbeat? if you actually think that then you should go kill yourself.......or maybe just "cut your nails"

OK I didn`t know that but that was then , we`re talking about the guy now.

The self publicist that has his tongue firmly between Saddams ass cheeks

I get that people don't agree with me on this. Read the rest of the post, it's for people who aren't as extreme on this as me.

By the way, on the other page I saw you were against homosexuality? May I ask why that is?

i think it is religiously wrong. it says so in the bible.

Ahh, you're religious. I'm sorry, but then this discussion ends here. I have never gotten anything good out of a discussion with a strongly religious person. Just because I'm radically opposed to being so conservative.

I'm not sure about the logic of 'a baby would be better off not being born than being born to a teen'. I agree with the foetus being part of the woman and not an independant entity until it's birth though. The argument that a foetus could become a little baby so stopping its growth is murdering a baby could also be used to argue against any kind of contraception. All human sperm and eggs have the potential to become humans, so not having sex many times every day is also in a sense a 'murder of babies'.

Even if it's religiously wrong, making it illegal doesn't stop people from being homosexual. My take is that by making homosexuality illegal or even just more taboo, all you end up with is a lot of homosexuals who stay in the closet - which is painful for them and, well... brings up other issues... which would you be happier with Oojay? Lots of blatent ***s hanging around, or the same number of ***s around but most of them claiming to be straight, getting married and ignoring their wives, sneaking little peeks at you in the locker room at the gym?

I think it's better for a teen to finish school, and for a child to be properly raised in a mother-father (more combinations of sexes possible) condition. 14-yearolds with babies just doesn't seem right.

I agree with that. Really its for the benefit of the teen, not the 'baby'. But its the teen's body and I think she should be able to do with it as she pleases. Or, well, she should at least have the choice in matters like this.

My friend is fifteen and pregnant. She's seeing it through though. I commend her spirit, I dont think I could stand to be a mother at fifteen.

But being eighteen on the other hand.....my last boyfriend didnt want to use condoms, he just wanted to pull out(but thats how my fiftee-year-old friend got pregnant). He said accidents happen and if it did, he'd pay for the abortion. That really pissed me off because it was like "you would kill off a symbol of our love because accidents happen?" Bull****. I'm still pro-choice because REAL accidents do happen, like a condom breaking, or daterape. But not using a condom is a concious decision.


Anyway......to get off that VERY touchy subject. There is a proposal in my county to STOP AFFIRMATIVE ACTION! Woot! Admission into intstitutions should be considered by strictly academics alone!

And there is another proposal to stop shooting mourning doves. The arguement is "there is no reason to shoot them." I say "there's no reason not to!" Shoot the suckers, they're annoying.

I don`t agree with abortion but who am I to tell a girl if she should keep it or not.I wouldn`t think any less of her if she chose to have one.

Life isn`t all sweetness & roses & harsh descisions need to be made sometimes,and people react in different ways.

Then we are on the same line. :)

Yeah, I guess you're right. But why didn't you start taking the pill? It's more secure than condoms, and it makes your tits grow.

Pelosi will most likely become speaker of the house. now if hilary clinton makes it into the white house, all hell will break loose and i'll go on a killing spree.

in any event, i just came from my polling center and made a few exit polls. It looks like my disctrict is going democratic.
I think the eigth district will go republican though. (that's just my guess)
and the voter turn out is larger than I initially hoped. However, there are a lot of first time voters in my area and one of the exit poll questions was about the war in iraq and some of them didn't seem to know more about it than iraq was in the middle east. At one point (a 19 year old dude) thought the US captured osama bin laden.

a lot of people it turns out (my to my surprise) are against abortion. and gay marriage.

Oh and PS: speak for yourself my political views are not crackpot I'll have you know.

I havent gotten around to seeing a gyno yet. And I got lucky and no "accidents" happened. I thought one did and then he broke up with me and I got scared and pissed.....but it was a false alert, I'm fine. But bigger boobs? I need to get on that now! lol.


And dammit, democrats are pretty much sweeping the elections here in michigan. Looks like Jennifer Granholm is re-eelcted as governer in Michigan, dammit!

Did all states have an increase in trash-talking advertisements this year? I mean, it got really bad this time. Three year olds fight more intelligently than them.

haha as of right now Talent is trampiling McCaskill (MO senate), but its only 20% reporting so far.

no do not shoot them, ill take care of them, ****ing christ****, there birds who do nothing wrong

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/youd.../races.html?MO
click on "election tracker", choose your state, choose your races, it updates every 3 minutes.

...you put a cigarette out in some guys eye. Plus it would be kinda cool to have a "mourning dove season". haha.

so peopel are worthless, animals are better

Politics are stupid.

^Sorry to tell you politics make the world go around.

so are generalities made by racists

In PA:
Bob Casey (D) dedeats Rick Santorum (Republican incumbent)
Rendell (d) defeats Lynn Swann (yet another republican)

So is the Undertaker doing a tombstone piledriver.

I doubt someone who's racist would listen to and like Blind Willie Mctell. Just sayin' you nazi loving jewmonger.

Racism by definition says you have to hate a race of people, or believe you are part of a superior race neither of which is something I dig.

you are an idiot.........period.

Didn`t take long for insults & abuse to start flying around in here.

Kind of ironic really when some of the people doing it were complaining about the lack of intelligent posts just a few short hours ago.

I`m not going to tolerate anymore abuse in threads like this. Consider this a first & last warning.