The Official Religious/Political Debate Thread (fan, quote)

adidasss · 11-19-2005, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merkaba

See thats stupidity right there. Why is there a God if he isn't going to make things perfect? Why worship someone when the ****s still gonna hit the fan anyway? Your crapping on your own morality to attempt to be someone other than yourself.

And on the theory of God, how was he created? He can't just come from nowhere eather because he himself is a source of energy that had to have been created. And if God is eternal why did he start the universe only 3000 years ago? Why not trillions and trillions of years ago? I mean it can't have been hard to plan, it only took him 7 days.

why do you insist on calling another way of thinking stupidity?try not to be so offensive when it comes to religion ey? i am attempting to be someone other than my real self and i think most people should because our real self is an angry animal and if everyone behaved according to their instincts we would be no better than animals and all mayham would brake loose. i worship someone because i believe in God and i believe in an afterlife, i keep saying this over and over again, if you choose to live your life and think of everything as random events that have no meaning what so ever that's your choice, but i think you have no right in calling people who choose to live their life by giving some higher meaning to all things stupid, and laughing at the bible and taking the things said in the bible literally is just retarded, as someone who is obviously capable of abstract thought i would have assumed you knew that the old testament is not about cold hard facts and the story of the creation is not to be taken literally but rather simbolically...time is of relevance only to mortal beings such as our selves, if something is infinite , as God is, time is of no importaince ,in fact it doesn't exist, so the moment when God created everything is irrelevant, we cannot understand infinity and the absence of time

mosesandtherubberducky · 11-19-2005, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big coffin hunter

well i dont think god is real nor satan so that makes me atheist

you just acknowledged that there is one by saying that you don't think he is real

EDIT: that didn't come out right, it sounded better in my head sorry

Merkaba · 11-19-2005, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adidasss

why do you insist on calling another way of thinking stupidity?try not to be so offensive when it comes to religion ey? i am attempting to be someone other than my real self and i think most people should because our real self is an angry animal and if everyone behaved according to their instincts we would be no better than animals and all mayham would brake loose. i worship someone because i believe in God and i believe in an afterlife, i keep saying this over and over again, if you choose to live your life and think of everything as random events that have no meaning what so ever that's your choice, but i think you have no right in calling people who choose to live their life by giving some higher meaning to all things stupid, and laughing at the bible and taking the things said in the bible literally is just retarded, as someone who is obviously capable of abstract thought i would have assumed you knew that the old testament is not about cold hard facts and the story of the creation is not to be taken literally but rather simbolically...time is of relevance only to mortal beings such as our selves, if something is infinite , as God is, time is of no importaince ,in fact it doesn't exist, so the moment when God created everything is irrelevant, we cannot understand infinity and the absence of time

I wasn't calling you stupid nor the actual theory since i can't prove it wrong nor can I say why it isn't right. I was saying the logic behind it was stupid. The purpose of life is to reproduce isn't it? Why else would we have genitalia and sperm? I think the term failure in life is when you fail to return the same gift that your parents gave you. Life. You are right about time though. God or no God it is unfathomable as to understanding when it started or how.

mosesandtherubberducky · 11-19-2005, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merkaba

I wasn't calling you stupid nor the actual theory since i can't prove it wrong nor can I say why it isn't right. I was saying the logic behind it was stupid. The purpose of life is to reproduce isn't it? Why else would we have genitalia and sperm? I think the term failure in life is when you fail to return the same gift that your parents gave you. Life. You are right about time though. God or no God it is unfathomable as to understanding when it started or how.

how do you define stupid though?

Merkaba · 11-19-2005, 03:29 PM

Without conclusion. With contradiction. With irony. Without cohesion.

SuperPseudonym · 11-19-2005, 03:30 PM

Every philosophy has a possible contradiction, so every idea is stupid huh?

Merkaba · 11-19-2005, 03:32 PM

Yeah but an internal contradiction?

I mean no, not all ideas are stupid. Of course there are contradicitons to things, but religion contradicts itself from within it's own system. It doesn't need another system to make it contradictory.

mosesandtherubberducky · 11-19-2005, 03:33 PM

cool, but then that means by your definition a lot of scientific theorys are also stupid

SuperPseudonym · 11-19-2005, 03:33 PM

State a belief so we may all sit on it, if you dont think that every idea can be thrown down.

mosesandtherubberducky · 11-19-2005, 03:35 PM

I have one! Everytime you add two and two get this you always get FOUR

11-19-2005, 03:29 PM	#765 (permalink)
Merkaba Whitewater! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,885	Without conclusion. With contradiction. With irony. Without cohesion. __________________ She thinks I'm a reclusive genius, she's going to be very disappointed when she finds out i'm a reclusive wanker

11-19-2005, 03:30 PM	#766 (permalink)
SuperPseudonym Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 24	Every philosophy has a possible contradiction, so every idea is stupid huh? __________________ There is a beast in man that needs to be excercised, not excorcised. -LaVey

11-19-2005, 03:32 PM	#767 (permalink)
Merkaba Whitewater! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,885	Yeah but an internal contradiction? I mean no, not all ideas are stupid. Of course there are contradicitons to things, but religion contradicts itself from within it's own system. It doesn't need another system to make it contradictory. __________________ She thinks I'm a reclusive genius, she's going to be very disappointed when she finds out i'm a reclusive wanker

11-19-2005, 03:33 PM	#768 (permalink)
mosesandtherubberducky butt say x Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: so i read the question as "Where YOU live" which was kinda funny instead of "Where you live" Posts: 1,649	cool, but then that means by your definition a lot of scientific theorys are also stupid __________________ Can I have a youtube video for a sig? There's a thing that says "Wrap [YOUTUBE] tags around selected text"

11-19-2005, 03:33 PM	#769 (permalink)
SuperPseudonym Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 24	State a belief so we may all sit on it, if you dont think that every idea can be thrown down. __________________ There is a beast in man that needs to be excercised, not excorcised. -LaVey

11-19-2005, 03:35 PM	#770 (permalink)
mosesandtherubberducky butt say x Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: so i read the question as "Where YOU live" which was kinda funny instead of "Where you live" Posts: 1,649	I have one! Everytime you add two and two get this you always get FOUR __________________ Can I have a youtube video for a sig? There's a thing that says "Wrap [YOUTUBE] tags around selected text"