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Old 05-17-2022, 03:32 PM   #10931 (permalink)
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Actually, my attitude is the opposite of what I think you're saying.
For well over 50 years, I've been continuously refining my abilities
to escape from myself when it comes to the work I do.
Mind altering substances, OTOH, actually highly emphasize your
"self" at various mental levels, so I'm just not interested in that.
How would you know?
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 05-17-2022, 03:37 PM   #10932 (permalink)
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You're not. You're just being a piss with a penchant for bringing up disabled people - and it's no longer interesting.
My statement wasn't literal in any sense.
The point is (and I know you've got things to do and can't be bothered with something over 2 paragraphs) that
evaluating your choices when it comes to drugs is a form of autonomy - not something that makes me "scared" of drugs.
If I were to go buy a car and the salesperson shoves a car at me and I decide that not only do I not want it,
but I will look for other options, it's not being "scared" of cars. Decades ago, I had these realtors trying to sell
me houses that didn't even come close to my descriptions. I changed realtors each time. I'm not scared of houses.
oh fair enough for some reason i assumed you actually don't drive cars and the analogy was that you aren't physically scared of the car which is a cartoonish version of being scared of cars where as a more reasonable fear is what can happen if you drive the car. The same way you might not be scared of drugs but scared of what they can do to you.

I actually don't gaf if you are straight edge what we were actually mocking was the way you went about presenting it and implying you wouldn't be that way if you just had a drink.
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Old 05-17-2022, 03:58 PM   #10933 (permalink)
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what we were actually mocking was the way you went about presenting it and implying you wouldn't be that way if you just had a drink.
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Also, why would I want to have a drink in order to be another way - something that would bow to your beliefs and/or desires?

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How would you know?
How would I know what? How do I know that there's an electrical and chemical reaction in your brain to "mind altering"<hint>substances?
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Old 05-17-2022, 04:15 PM   #10934 (permalink)
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How do you know how drugs feel? I would never have been able to conceptualize what weed and sunrooms do to the mind before doing them. You can read stuff all you want but you're still just ignorant.
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How do you know how drugs feel? I would never have been able to conceptualize what weed and sunrooms do to the mind before doing them. You can read stuff all you want but you're still just ignorant.
Where did I say that I knew how drugs feel?
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Old 05-17-2022, 04:28 PM   #10936 (permalink)
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You described how they feel and why you don't want to feel that way.
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No, I didn't.
I just described a physical process.
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Old 05-17-2022, 04:41 PM   #10938 (permalink)
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You described a mental process and and why you want to avoid it.
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You described a mental process and and why you want to avoid it.
As I said, the various neuron and ion exchanges that happen under the influence of, for instance,
a psychotropic drug are physical processes. You (your "self") end up mentally experiencing the results
of those interactions. Describing the physical act of shoving a large kitchen knife into someone's stomach
and stating that the result would more than likely be a scream is not solely describing a mental process.
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Old 05-17-2022, 05:16 PM   #10940 (permalink)
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But it's all a physical process because the mind is physical and therefore everything you experience or imagine is the self.
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