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oh the guy is gone. good.
i have question to vegetarians and vegans.

i have been on this "almost" vegetarian/raw food diet. basically, 80% of what i eat is raw - fruits and vegetables. the only processed food i eat is wheat bread. been on this for over a month. purely health reasons.

then i ate bag of chips. several minutes after i finished the entire bag, my back just hurt like hell and i started to shake.

any vegetarians/vegans exerienced that kind of physical reaction to processed food?

1) Raw food diets are not healthy.
2) Vegetarianism is not superior to a traditional diet, from a nutritional point of view.

Anyways, there's no reason eating chips would make your back hurt; that's either a really, really bad example of correlation =/= causation, or a purely psychosomatic reaction.

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Originally Posted by chipper (Post 1057242)

any vegetarians/vegans exerienced that kind of physical reaction to processed food?

Sounds like a nocebo effect to me ;)

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Originally Posted by chipper (Post 1057242)

any vegetarians/vegans exerienced that kind of physical reaction to processed food?

Na, I sometimes eat crap anyway. Never have chips before sports lessons kids.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1056713)

...I don't...Alright lets start from the start.

The first paragraph and the second paragraph seem completely unrelated to me. Heres what I can, so far, comprehend: Virgin things we created Jellyfish, and that we should be able to eat them because god created them.

I don't understand where homosexuality comes into play at all. Was it brought up prior to your statement? If so, that might be the missing link because I didn't see it. Other threads aside, I'm not seeing how A relates to B here.

Also, I recall something in the bible about not eating shellfish or whatever. I'm not up on Jewish Dietary Code though so that could be way way off. Can we take this to the shoutbox to get to the point quicker?

Alright. Forget about the jellyfish. The Virgin claimed that not eating meat was immoral because the Bible tells you to eat meat. But he is gay so he is going against the Bible. Therefore he claims that vegetarians are immoral for going against the Bible while he is going against the Bible by being gay. This is hypocrisy. Comprende?

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Originally Posted by dog (Post 554125)

hi, would you eat an animal if they died from natural causes? -as opposed to being killed.

As a vegan I avoid eating animals and using animal products because I want to reduce or eliminate the harm and suffering experienced by animals due to human actions, so I would have no ethical objection to eating animals who died from natural causes as opposed to being killed.

My reason: eating animals who died from natural causes does not contribute to those animals experiencing suffering and does not encourage the killing of more animals.

However, I would have health reasons (which I describe below) for not eating even fresh animals who died from 'natural' causes. I would also have no desire or reason to eat them unless I were starving. If I see a dead animal I'm sorry for her that her life is over. Eating her is the last thing on my mind.

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Originally Posted by chipper (Post 1055736)

The best source of protein is beans. One half cup of beans contains as much protein as a 3 oz steak. Beans are a cheap, easy solution to just about any meal.

Next is egg (which vegetarians can eat) and then Dairy (which vegetarians can also consume).

Earlier in the thread some folks stated that "meat is the best protein," and you mention that beans are a great source of protein (which is true), so I want to comment on the issue of "what is the best protein."

The Harvard School of Public Health provides a good assessment of protein sources by stating that vegetable sources of protein (beans, whole grains, and nuts) are excellent because vegetable sources of protein allow you to meet all your protein needs plus reduce health risks associated with eating animal products:

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The bottom line is that it's important to pay attention to what comes along with the protein in your food choices.

Vegetable sources of protein, such as beans, nuts, and whole grains, are excellent choices, and they offer healthy fiber, vitamins, and minerals. Nuts are also a great source of healthy fat.

The best animal protein choices are fish and poultry. If you are partial to red meat, such as beef, pork, or lamb, stick with the leanest cuts, choose moderate portion sizes, and make it only an occasional part of your diet, for several reasons: A major report on cancer prevention recommends consuming less than 18 ounces a week of red meat and avoiding processed meats (such as hot dogs, bacon, or ham) to lower the risk of colon cancer. (3)

There's also substantial evidence that replacing red meat with fish, poultry, beans, or nuts, could help prevent heart disease, and that lowering red meat can lower the risk of diabetes. (30, 31)

Processed meats, especially, have been most strongly linked with cardiovascular disease and diabetes, at least in part due to their high added sodium content. (Learn more about why cutting salt and sodium is good for your health, and learn what you can do to lower your risk of type 2 diabetes.)

Protein: Moving Closer to Center Stage - What Should You Eat? - The Nutrition Source - Harvard School of Public Health

As for eggs, they are a good protein source but have some drawbacks due to the cholesterol found especially in the yolks:

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Recent research has shown that moderate egg consumption—up to one a day—does not increase heart disease risk in healthy individuals.

In the Nurses' Health Study and Health Professionals Follow-up Study, heart disease risk was increased among men and women with diabetes who ate one or more eggs a day. For people who have diabetes and heart disease, it is best to limit egg consumption to no more than three yolks per week.

This research doesn't give the green light to daily three-egg omelets. While a 2008 report from the ongoing Physicians' Health Study supports the idea that eating an egg a day is generally safe for the heart, it also suggests that going much beyond that could increase the risk for heart failure later in life.

Eggs and Heart Disease - What Should You Eat? - The Nutrition Source - Harvard School of Public Health

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe (Post 1056034)

How has Vegangelica not posted in here yet? :laughing:

Busy! :)

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1057359)

1) It is healthy
2) I never said it is

you'd be surprised at how your body reacts to strange things no matter how insignificant it is. your last point i think is valid. maybe it is psychosomatic.

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That's bull**** vegetarian propaganda. Beans are an inferior source of protein because they lack essential amino acids found in all types of meat.

If you want to build lean muscle mass, meat is the way to go. It's no accident vegetarian body builders are about as common as gay NAZIs.

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1059707)

No, raw food diets are inferior. Cooking food breaks down cellular walls, which allows for easier digestion and absorption of the minerals & vitamins therein. The amount of minerals and vitamins lost through cooking is more than made up by the fact the body can actually absorb a greater % of the minerals and vitamins found therein when the food is cooked, as compared to raw.

That's bull**** vegetarian propaganda. Beans are an inferior source of protein because they lack essential amino acids found in all types of meat.

If you want to build lean muscle mass, meat is the way to go. It's no accident vegetarian body builders are about as common as gay NAZIs.

RawVegan Body Building Muscle Mass
Bodybuilding.com - Bodybuilding The Vegan Way, Part I: The Workout.
Bodybuilding.com - Getting Big & Strong On A Vegan Diet!

the moar u know

also, seriously why the fuck does this debate have to go on so long? Leave me the fuck alone to eat what I want, and I'll leave you alone to eat what the fuck you want.
Don't like beans and tofu? GREAT. Don't ****ing eat it.

And honestly, most meat eaters have such awful diets I doubt you even absorb all the vitamins you need

so STFU

lol I used to be so stupid

still not a vegetarian, but I have a lot more respect now

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the moar u know

also, seriously why the **** does this debate have to go on so long? Leave me the **** alone to eat what I want, and I'll leave you alone to eat what the **** you want.
Don't like beans and tofu? GREAT. Don't ****ing eat it.

And honestly, most meat eaters have such awful diets I doubt you even absorb all the vitamins you need

so STFU

...OMG, anecdotal evidence!

The leadership of the Nazi Party included at least one avowed homosexual, Ernst Roehm. He was a member of Hirschfeld's League for Human Rights and openly attended homosexual meeting places. Between 1933 and 1934, Roehm was the leader of the SA (Stormtroopers) and, before the death of Hindenberg in 1934, he was a potential challenger to Hitler's supremacy. With the Nazis' rise to power came an attack from Germany's political left. Attempts were made to discredit Hitler and the Nazis. One of their arguments was the charge of homosexuality in the Nazi ranks. Hitler's old friend Roehm was one of their main targets.

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Does one high ranking Homo in the NSDAP mean homosexuality was common or accepted by NAZIs? Nope. Just as a few vegan bodybuilders (who rely upon supplements!) do not refute my argument.

Anyways, if you want to be a vegetarian or vegan because you insist on a sort of crass anthropomorphism, fine. But don't pretend it's a superior diet - it's not.