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SATCHMO 06-08-2011 11:24 AM

I'm a situationalist vegan/raw foodist, which means that I'm a vegan except when the situation calls for me to eat animal products. For example, if I'm invited to dinner at a person's house and dinner consists of animal products, I will eat them, but not gluttonously. There's no sense getting on a soapbox about my political/environmental/nutritional beliefs and being rude when someone has been so gracious as to make me dinner. There have also been times in my life when my preferred diet has not been possible to strictly maintain, no big deal.

Having said all this, there's no reason for any human in contemporary times to eat animal products other than the fact that one believes that they taste good, they don't have access to non-animal foods, or they cannot afford to have an animal product free diet. Eating healthy is expensive.

Eating animal products does not provide the nutrition that the body needs to thrive (not even bioavailable protein). Factory farming of animals and their byproducts is a waste of space, global resources, and is in itself and act of cruelty. I care far less about the act of killing an animal than I am concerned about the treatment an animal receives while being raised and the conditions that it is exposed to. Finally, eating animal products, with few exceptions is simply bad for the human body. It causes inflamation, constipation, throws the body's PH balance into a very acidic state, and most animal flesh cooked is almost completely devoid of nutritional value, and the act of cooking flesh introduces carcinogenic substances into the body that are not present in it's uncooked state (although, I will admit that I'd take less nutritionally viable and carcinogenic over replete with food-born diseases).

I think furthest down on the list of reasons why I don't eat animal products is the belief that killing animals is wrong, but I do believe that killing/enslaving animals for no reason is wrong. However, If an animal died of natural causes, I would take part in eat it if it were presented to me graciously.

Sansa Stark 06-08-2011 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR. (Post 1066367)
Hope he cleared that up for your confused mind Paloma. LOL :rofl: Lions eating pigs? Cannibalism. LOL :rofl:

I can't even with this kid

He's not ignorant yet cannibalism is lions eating pigs

I can't even

The Batlord 06-08-2011 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1066362)
not all animals are meant for human consumption. some are meant for human amusement.

You would know, wouldn't you? Now dance, monkey, DANCE!

The Virgin 06-08-2011 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1066365)
Um, that's not what cannibalism is, just FYI.

i'm not sure if they already have a term for animals but i know that cannibalism is when a human being eats another human being. but i'm sure its the same thing as when an animal eats another animal lets say a lion eating a pig, they're both animals, so in a sense it's cannibalism. english is not my first language so if you already invented a term for animals eating animals, then let me know. as for now, i'm gonna use the term cannibalism which is appropriate for my current state of knowledge.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1066386)
You would know, wouldn't you? Now dance, monkey, DANCE!

that's just downright racism. i'm beginning to think you have a crush on me. first you put my quote in your signature. now you want me to dance, perhaps like a stripper kind of way. sorry pal, i'm taken already.

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Originally Posted by Paloma (Post 1066385)
I can't even with this kid

He's not ignorant yet cannibalism is lions eating pigs

I can't even

see my previous response to burning down

Guybrush 06-08-2011 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1066432)
i'm not sure if they already have a term for animals but i know that cannibalism is when a human being eats another human being. but i'm sure its the same thing as when an animal eats another animal lets say a lion eating a pig, they're both animals, so in a sense it's cannibalism. english is not my first language so if you already invented a term for animals eating animals, then let me know. as for now, i'm gonna use the term cannibalism which is appropriate for my current state of knowledge.

For an act of meat consumption to be cannibalism as per usual definitions, both the eater and the eaten has to be of the same species of animal. Human is one species, lion is a another species and pig yet another. A pig eating a pig would be cannibalism. A human eating a human would be cannibalism. A lion eating a lion would be cannibalism.

A lion eating a pig is not necessarily a cannibal, just a lion eating a pig ;)

The Batlord 06-08-2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1066432)
i'm not sure if they already have a term for animals but i know that cannibalism is when a human being eats another human being. but i'm sure its the same thing as when an animal eats another animal lets say a lion eating a pig, they're both animals, so in a sense it's cannibalism. english is not my first language so if you already invented a term for animals eating animals, then let me know. as for now, i'm gonna use the term cannibalism which is appropriate for my current state of knowledge.

Cannibalism only applies when it's two beings of the same species. "Animals" is not a species. A lion eating another lion is cannibalism. A lion eating a pig is just a lion eating a pig.

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that's just downright racism. i'm beginning to think you have a crush on me. first you put my quote in your signature. now you want me to dance, perhaps like a stripper kind of way. sorry pal, i'm taken already.
Racist? I don't even know what race you are. I was just being condescending.

Burning Down 06-08-2011 12:56 PM

Humans are animals (although we don't think of ourselves as such), and if cannibalism meant eating any other animal (not just your own species), then we'd all be cannibals.

Sansa Stark 06-08-2011 01:03 PM

Good god stop being such a stereotype, NOBODY has a crush on you

Shoebox 06-08-2011 03:08 PM

I'm not planning on becoming a vegetarian, for that I like the taste of meat too much, but I want to change my eating habits. Not only is meat very expensive in Norway, it is also rather unhealthy. The problem is that I'm so used to eating meals containing meat that I hardly know how to make any meat-free dinners. Salad, soup?

When I move out, I'm going to look for new recipes and try to make more vegetarian dishes. And replace some of the meat with seafood like fish and prawns. Right now I'm living with my parents and I happily except everything I'm served.

Howard the Duck 06-08-2011 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Virgin (Post 1066362)
not all animals are meant for human consumption. some are meant for human amusement.
there, i answered your question. hope it's now clear to you.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1066386)
You would know, wouldn't you? Now dance, monkey, DANCE!

he has a point ya know, look at the circus, obviously lions are meant to jump through hoops of fire and elephants are meant to dance for us

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Originally Posted by Paloma (Post 1066443)
Good god stop being such a stereotype, NOBODY has a crush on you

he just dunked some philipino fly


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