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Astronomer 11-29-2008 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by khfreek (Post 554298)
Something's life is of value when it loves and can be loved. Animals have got the latter going for them, but I don't believe they have the first. Mentally handicapped people (except perhaps the most extreme cases) have both.
You can't say this because you don't know. You don't know that mentally handicapped people can love any more than if animals can love.

khfreek 11-29-2008 01:26 AM
I can't know. It's what I think based on the evidence provided.

sleepy jack 11-29-2008 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by khfreek (Post 554298)
Something's life is of value when it loves and can be loved. Animals have got the latter going for them, but I don't believe they have the first. Mentally handicapped people (except perhaps the most extreme cases) have both.
That's an incredibly flimsy standard. You really should have some objective footing before calling people idiots on an opinion you base strictly on love.

Astronomer 11-29-2008 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by khfreek (Post 554305)
Ask the millions of parents who have loved and raised mentally challenged kids. I'm sure they have plenty of evidence.
And I'm sure people who have loved and raised and worked with animals all their lives can say the exact same thing.

khfreek 11-29-2008 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 554302)
That's an incredibly flimsy standard. You really should have some objective footing before calling people idiots on an opinion you base strictly on love.
Dude, you said earlier that you value human life above animal life, so why does it matter what my standard is? As long as I realize that animals are not as important as humans, we're on the same side on this one <_<

sleepy jack 11-29-2008 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by khfreek (Post 554307)
Dude, you said earlier that you value human life above animal life, so why does it matter what my standard is? As long as I realize that animals are not as important as humans, we're on the same side on this one <_<
I never said that.

khfreek 11-29-2008 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by shiseido_red (Post 554306)
And I'm sure people who have loved and raised and worked with animals all their lives can say the exact same thing.
And for each story you tell me, I can tell you how each "loving gesture" made by said animals were for their own benefit in the long run.

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 554293)
If I see a baby about to die and a puppy about to die who am I going to save? The baby but if I can save both then why not?
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sleepy jack 11-29-2008 01:38 AM
Saving a baby over the puppy means I value the baby's life more you know.

khfreek 11-29-2008 01:40 AM
Yes, I know... unless you're being sarcastic. In which case I don't see how you can save someone's life over another's and not value the one you save over the other.

Astronomer 11-29-2008 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by khfreek (Post 554309)
And for each story you tell me, I can tell you how each "loving gesture" made by said animals were for their own benefit in the long run.
And how can you say that humans actions aren't for their own benefit as well?


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