Hitler (punk, effect, song, history, Inci)

jesus · 02-19-2005, 10:13 PM

if you could go back before Hitler started killing millions of people, and kill him first would you?

I don't know if I would or not. I'd really want to, but it would change history a ****load and no one would be able to know if it were for better or worse in the end. You're probably thinking "well, it would be better because millions of people's lives would be saved!", but I'm just saying, there's no telling, at all, and you all know that so don't give me shit about it. And I also don't really know, but I figure since the holocaust has happened people probably take stuff like racism more seriously than if it had never happened. I'd probably kill him though. Shoot the fuckhead right in the face.

sleepy jack · 02-19-2005, 10:15 PM

uhh...No cause who knows what the hell would happen to current time?Like what the hell would change? plus their would be no Nazi Punk pathces.

jesus · 02-19-2005, 10:20 PM

I hope you mean those ones with the swastika crossed out..or DK nazi punks **** off...

I dunno, I still don't really have an answer to the question. Sometimes I think about it and I just want to ****ing rip his face off and shove it up his ass, but then I think of how it's influenced the future and I'm stuck.

sleepy jack · 02-19-2005, 10:21 PM

Yes The DK patches and no fu*ck off nazi punk song.

jesus · 02-19-2005, 10:24 PM

I love that song*tear*

jesus · 02-19-2005, 10:26 PM

but just a simple song wouldn't stop me from killing him..i mean I know he influenced the world negatively but like I said, there's no telling what would happen, and still it did influence a lot of stuff

jibber · 02-19-2005, 10:34 PM

actually this thread reminds me of the whole chaos theory thing. The theory that any given input will have a completely random output, and the slightest event could cause major disturbances down the road. It's a huge in depth thing, and it's really pretty complicated. The basic jist of it is that every outcome is random, and cannot be predicted, but this has been disproven with some albeit very strange, but proven, laws of physics. What a chaos theorist would call chaos, a physicist would call proven and viable cause and effect. But then of course even with very advanced physics it gets hard to predict the outcome of a given event with the uncertainty principle, which basically states that by observing a particle, we alter its state, so we can never predict its patterns and behaviour accurately enough to develop a model to predict the future. Anyways I'm getting ahead of myslef, and kind of off topic, so i'll stop here. But what got me going on and on like that was the whole chaos theory thing, and part of that is that it's impossible to predict the outcome of any given event, no matter how small. Which is true in a way, but physics is able to predict the outcome of events on a certain scale, but then when you get in to individual particles, you have to deal with the uncertainty principle thing, which muddles everything up.

covle · 02-19-2005, 11:12 PM

i love getting into stuff like the chaos theory. such a mind bender. its the butterfly effect and all this shizznickel. what about this question, could you take the life of one innocent little girl to the saviour of mankind?

jibber · 02-19-2005, 11:29 PM

^If it was a question of saving mankind, then yes, I would do it. here's a tougher questions, if there was a small chance that mankind would cease to exist if you didn't kill that innocent little girl, would you do it? If you really want a mindf*ck, my friend is studying physics in uni right now, and he was telling me about when one of his profs started telling them about this string theory. It's sometimes called the "everything theory" because it combines gravitational relativity and quantum mechanics. It basically says that sub atomic particles are made up of tiny loops of energy, each loop being billions times smaller than the entire atom. These little "strings" exist in 6 other dimensions, besides our 3. They've theorized up to 11 different dimensions that these things exist in. So besides length, width and depth there could be 8 other dimensions that we don't see. Talk about a mindf*ck just trying to bend your mind around that. Besides that, the theory predicts that there could be an infinite number of other universes, with different laws and physical constants, each existing millimeters away from eachother. but these universes are unreachable and undetectable to eachother because the "strings" are attached to our universal membrane, like a huge blanket. But, they've speculated that by using partical accelerators, subatomic particles called gravitons may be able to travel through universes. They've noticed that by crashing atoms into each other, these little gravitons just dissapear, and this theory speculates that they've jumped to a higher dimension in another universe, they're just gone.

jibber · 02-19-2005, 11:44 PM

Yeah, this got me thinking about all these other mindf*cks as I like to call them. Lot's of people have said that the universe just doesn't end, and I can accept that. But the other theory is that it's expanding, but, if it's expanding, then there must be something to expand into, but that something must be nothing. It's that nothing that completely baffles me, like no space, or time, but somehow the universe that has a sense of space and time is expanding into it. So somehow the universe was created and is now expanding, I reason that movement determines time, so the expansion of the universe creates our sense of time. But then there's that whole "crunch" theory, where the universe will actually contract, so at that point would time just reverse? and if that were the case would it just reverse back to it's origin, then start expanding again, and just go in an infinite cycle? What if that were the case, that the universe is just going in an infinite cyle of expansion and contraction, and time just goes forward and back again. Would history repeat itself every time? or would something tiny and minute differ every time that would cause each new expansion of the univers to be wildly different? not sure if any of that made any sense, but yeah, mindf*ck. On the subject of time, that got me thinking about time travel. so if this was possible, do you think you'd be able to alter the future by changing what you did in the past if you went back in time? I was thinking about this today, and i'm not sure it would work like that. I kind of started to think of it as past, present, and future all existing at the same time. if you've traveled from the future, then that means that when you're in your past, your future has already happened (seeing as how you just came from it), so in a sense your future is also your past, so you can't alter it, it's already happened. So if that was true, then maybe if you traveled back in time, you wouldn't have the ability to change the future, because somewhere, it's already happened. Again, no clue if any of that made sense, but it's just fun to mess with your head. Ok, just a few more mind bending things to think about. Ok, so I don't want to turn this into a debate about weather or not god exists, but lets say he/she/it does. Let's also assume that god made everything, the universe, any other universes, just everything. So then what made god? nothing, god was always there, just always, always there. I can't even wrap my mind around that, like there was absolutely nothing before god, and who knows how long he/she/it existed before the universe was created. On that note, we can't even imagine how long god has existed, because before the universe was created there was no measure or sense of time. And if the universe created the sense of time, then it must have created the sense of space as well, since before the universe, there was no space. So where did god exist before the universe was created? there was just nothing to exist IN. ok now that I've effectively f*cked my mind up, I'm gonna read jesus's thread about pie.

02-19-2005, 10:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	actually this thread reminds me of the whole chaos theory thing. The theory that any given input will have a completely random output, and the slightest event could cause major disturbances down the road. It's a huge in depth thing, and it's really pretty complicated. The basic jist of it is that every outcome is random, and cannot be predicted, but this has been disproven with some albeit very strange, but proven, laws of physics. What a chaos theorist would call chaos, a physicist would call proven and viable cause and effect. But then of course even with very advanced physics it gets hard to predict the outcome of a given event with the uncertainty principle, which basically states that by observing a particle, we alter its state, so we can never predict its patterns and behaviour accurately enough to develop a model to predict the future. Anyways I'm getting ahead of myslef, and kind of off topic, so i'll stop here. But what got me going on and on like that was the whole chaos theory thing, and part of that is that it's impossible to predict the outcome of any given event, no matter how small. Which is true in a way, but physics is able to predict the outcome of events on a certain scale, but then when you get in to individual particles, you have to deal with the uncertainty principle thing, which muddles everything up. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

02-19-2005, 11:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
covle Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: melbourne australia Posts: 334	i love getting into stuff like the chaos theory. such a mind bender. its the butterfly effect and all this shizznickel. what about this question, could you take the life of one innocent little girl to the saviour of mankind? __________________ LIVE.LOVE.BURN.DIE. whoa...i quoted atreyu, that means im hardcore. look how hardcore i am!! thats hardcore...XXX

02-19-2005, 11:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	^If it was a question of saving mankind, then yes, I would do it. here's a tougher questions, if there was a small chance that mankind would cease to exist if you didn't kill that innocent little girl, would you do it? If you really want a mindfck, my friend is studying physics in uni right now, and he was telling me about when one of his profs started telling them about this string theory. It's sometimes called the "everything theory" because it combines gravitational relativity and quantum mechanics. It basically says that sub atomic particles are made up of tiny loops of energy, each loop being billions times smaller than the entire atom. These little "strings" exist in 6 other dimensions, besides our 3. They've theorized up to 11 different dimensions that these things exist in. So besides length, width and depth there could be 8 other dimensions that we don't see. Talk about a mindfck just trying to bend your mind around that. Besides that, the theory predicts that there could be an infinite number of other universes, with different laws and physical constants, each existing millimeters away from eachother. but these universes are unreachable and undetectable to eachother because the "strings" are attached to our universal membrane, like a huge blanket. But, they've speculated that by using partical accelerators, subatomic particles called gravitons may be able to travel through universes. They've noticed that by crashing atoms into each other, these little gravitons just dissapear, and this theory speculates that they've jumped to a higher dimension in another universe, they're just gone. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

02-19-2005, 11:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
jibber Freeskier Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul not Constantinople... Posts: 1,536	Yeah, this got me thinking about all these other mindfcks as I like to call them. Lot's of people have said that the universe just doesn't end, and I can accept that. But the other theory is that it's expanding, but, if it's expanding, then there must be something to expand into, but that something must be nothing. It's that nothing that completely baffles me, like no space, or time, but somehow the universe that has a sense of space and time is expanding into it. So somehow the universe was created and is now expanding, I reason that movement determines time, so the expansion of the universe creates our sense of time. But then there's that whole "crunch" theory, where the universe will actually contract, so at that point would time just reverse? and if that were the case would it just reverse back to it's origin, then start expanding again, and just go in an infinite cycle? What if that were the case, that the universe is just going in an infinite cyle of expansion and contraction, and time just goes forward and back again. Would history repeat itself every time? or would something tiny and minute differ every time that would cause each new expansion of the univers to be wildly different? not sure if any of that made any sense, but yeah, mindfck. On the subject of time, that got me thinking about time travel. so if this was possible, do you think you'd be able to alter the future by changing what you did in the past if you went back in time? I was thinking about this today, and i'm not sure it would work like that. I kind of started to think of it as past, present, and future all existing at the same time. if you've traveled from the future, then that means that when you're in your past, your future has already happened (seeing as how you just came from it), so in a sense your future is also your past, so you can't alter it, it's already happened. So if that was true, then maybe if you traveled back in time, you wouldn't have the ability to change the future, because somewhere, it's already happened. Again, no clue if any of that made sense, but it's just fun to mess with your head. Ok, just a few more mind bending things to think about. Ok, so I don't want to turn this into a debate about weather or not god exists, but lets say he/she/it does. Let's also assume that god made everything, the universe, any other universes, just everything. So then what made god? nothing, god was always there, just always, always there. I can't even wrap my mind around that, like there was absolutely nothing before god, and who knows how long he/she/it existed before the universe was created. On that note, we can't even imagine how long god has existed, because before the universe was created there was no measure or sense of time. And if the universe created the sense of time, then it must have created the sense of space as well, since before the universe, there was no space. So where did god exist before the universe was created? there was just nothing to exist IN. ok now that I've effectively f*cked my mind up, I'm gonna read jesus's thread about pie. __________________ What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road. William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass. HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER