The Science

djchameleon · 02-24-2011, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RezZ

You mention "negs" which I think most guys understand a little bit but dont ever use (myself included) because they dont know how to implement them or dont want to be viewed as an arsehole. So explain what exactly it is and how exactly one could pull it off.

You want to come off a little bit like an arsehole that's one of the points but okay I will give you an example of a neg I threw this girl. Sure it was just on facebook but I would have done the same thing had I seen her irl. I just didn't like her outfit lol.

I think picking apart their outfit/shoes is the nicest and easiest neg to pull off and it may even spark conversation about what men think looks good on girls vs what they spend all that time getting ready for and still look like a hot mess.
The whole judging of the outfit and using it as a neg varies from girl to girl obviously. If see a girl looks like she's very proud of what she is wearing or looks a little overdressed for the place that she's attending let her have it.

Okay back to my example I went off on a tangent.

This girl posted a picture of this outfit that she was so proud of and guys were leaving her a bunch of meaningless empty compliments. So , I decided to go against the flow of all that "smoke blowing up her butt". I told her "your outfit is okay but that belt you have around your waist is a bit much and throws off the whole outfit." Well this neg didn't work on her as I'm guess negs don't really work as well online. It was my first time trying it out online for experimental purposes. Anyways, I noticed someone commented on her pic the other day and I went through looking for my comment to see if she responded and all she did was delete the negative comment which wasn't even that by it was just my opinion of her "perfect" outfit.

djchameleon · 02-24-2011, 02:51 AM

Okay I promised to jot down some of the lingo that I will be using and explain it before hand so when I get to the techniques part you won't be as lost.

Avatar - creating an avatar is something that is simple. The point of an avatar is to go give yourself a makeover essentially. You want to get a few clothes that make you stand out in the sea of buttoned up shirts that the majority of guys wear at clubs.
(personally I don't agree too much with avatars, like wear whatever the f you want just as long as you are clean and comfortable. The only part of creating an avatar that I agree with is having some slight thing that stands out on you, that you could use as a conversation starter. For example, this is very simple but you can't believe how effective it is. Since i'm obessed with my shades, I would wear my night shades out when I go to clubs. Of course , most women laughed and thought I was an idiot for wearing shades at night but when the few that asked me why I was wearing them while giggling at me. I had this line prepared ahead of time "I have to wear my shades at night because my future is so bright. Would you care to take a glimpse into my future? if they said yes then that's how the conversation would start out about what's going on in my life and I would find out what they are doing with their life as well.)

Set - this is just the term for a group. The group can consist of all females or a mixed group of females and males. or it can be all males if you are into that and are in that kind of club.

Field - This term means anywhere you go to practice and hone your skills. The most common field is a bar/club but the field can be a simple place like a mall or local library as well.

Target - I will mention this quite often, it just refers to a woman/man that you have set your sights on getting to know better.

Wingman - I'm fairly sure most of you know what this means but I will explain in detail anyways. A wingman is anyone that helps you to look better in the eyes of your target. They also do various other jobs. They can block out alpha females for you in a set. They can protect you from grenades. They can also go out and scout the target for you to initiate the conversation if you are a bit too shy to start it up yourself. They play off of your best qualities.

Grenade - I had a different term for this but ever since Jersey Shore, I like it so I use it more often now. When I use the term grenade, I don't mean it in the same way they do. They use it in a horrible way to claim that a girl is ugly. The way I use it is somewhat similar but I wouldn't say the girl is ugly. The girl is just not high on your lists of things that you look for in a girl. For example, Dirty has a friend that loves bigger women. In his books, a slim cheerleader type girl would be a grenade because that's not what he prefers in his women.

(I will edit this list and add more later on)

Dr_Rez · 02-24-2011, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Anyways, I noticed someone commented on her pic the other day and I went through looking for my comment to see if she responded and all she did was delete the negative comment which wasn't even that by it was just my opinion of her "perfect" outfit.

Thats to funny. I wonder how much that actually happens, aka how many bad things are deleted in a day. Its sad that someone cant take a small remark like that.

djchameleon · 02-25-2011, 02:39 AM

I have a question for the guys out there

What is your stance on dating a woman that has a kid/kids?

Dr_Rez · 02-28-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I have a question for the guys out there

What is your stance on dating a woman that has a kid/kids?

Im doing that right now. I dont like kids so guess we are not gona last to long! Good times in the meantime though. Her fault, shouldnt be 22 with a 1 year old. Call me an arsehole but seriously WWJD!

djchameleon · 02-28-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RezZ

Im doing that right now. I dont like kids so guess we are not gona last to long! Good times in the meantime though. Her fault, shouldnt be 22 with a 1 year old. Call me an arsehole but seriously WWJD!

I had to deal with a 19 year old girl that had a 1 year old.

I think I found the secret to dating a woman that has kids.

Enjoy it while it lasts and remember you are dating the woman and she doesn't want you in her life to take care of the kid so it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Unless you can clearly tell that is her intentions is to find a daddy for the kid or a baby daddy for that matter to help her pay for the child's expenses then I would run in the complete opposite direction.

Dr_Rez · 02-28-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I had to deal with a 19 year old girl that had a 1 year old.

I think I found the secret to dating a woman that has kids.

Enjoy it while it lasts and remember you are dating the woman and she doesn't want you in her life to take care of the kid so it shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Unless you can clearly tell that is her intentions is to find a daddy for the kid or a baby daddy for that matter to help her pay for the child's expenses then I would run in the complete opposite direction.

I find it amazing that people used to have kids at that age ALL THE TIME not so many years ago. I mean the lifespan of a human was barely that much lower. I cant imagine feeling obligated to have a kid because of social standards in my late teens early twenties.

djchameleon · 02-28-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RezZ

I find it amazing that people used to have kids at that age ALL THE TIME not so many years ago. I mean the lifespan of a human was barely that much lower. I cant imagine feeling obligated to have a kid because of social standards in my late teens early twenties.

yeah it seems pretty rough to have your life tied down so early and have that big of a responsibility.

I'm going to do a pretty big write up for this thread later on tonight discussing how to open various sets.

djchameleon · 03-01-2011, 03:17 AM

Okay so this write up isn't as big as I thought it was going to be because opening sets isn't that difficult.

The idea behind opening a set successful is to go up to the group and while you are talking to them find the most charismatic person in the group and engage them. They will probably be the alpha person of the group controlling much of the conversation. If you are able to win of this person then you are in like flin.

Normally it is a good idea to pre-game ahead of time if you are prone to shyness and come up with some good conversation starters while you are at home.

Like Dirty mentioned earlier, it's nice to come up with someone that's situational but almost universal. My friend is having girl problems what should he do about such and such or what is your opinion on such topic. Or how do you feel about a certain topic.

Whatever you do, your conversation starter should be an opinion type question. If it's a yes/no question then the conversation isn't going to go much further than their response.

MoonlitSunshine · 03-01-2011, 04:10 AM

dj, I couldn't help but notice when reading through this thread that you often seem to favour a very... openly aggressive stance when it comes to confrontations. Like, in the whiskey situation, your hindsight response was to rip into the guy (in his own store, where he probably had the upper ground in any confrontation) and basically make a battle of it. The was another situation in thre thread where you talked about a similar situation where you would have eaten the guy's face off had you thought about it at the time (I can't remember the exact details, but the response was the same). I'm just wondering, are you of the opinion that this is the best thing to do, if you want to impress a girl watching the whole thing?

I don't mean to undermine you or anything, but where I'm from, blowing up because of a nasty comment is a sign of insecurity, which would be picked up on instantly by any girl. The fact that you would react so aggressively to the comment just shows that the other guy managed to hit you where it hurts. In my society, it's better to either roll with it and make a joke out of it (and make the girl laugh), or make a calm, slightly stabbing rebuttal implying that they have no clue what they're on about (Implying that you are totally unfazed by their meagre attempt to put you down). The instant you react aggressively is the instant you lose.

For example, I would ascribe much more to boozin's approach to the situation: basically ignoring his attempts to clear you out like he's not there, maybe keep asking him and the girl questions while you wander around the shop to frustrate him. Obviously, he wants to chat up the girl, and there's no way you're gonna manage it while he's there (indefinitely :P) so you may as well screw his chances even more, and hell, if you're funny enough in the process, you might get the girl on your side against him (especially if he reacts aggressively to your calm conversation). However, if you started going on about how he needed to take his cialis... it allows him to protray you as the bad guy, the stuck up young one trash talking him in his own store. If he's in any way experienced (which he probably is, owning a liquor store), he'd shut down that sort of approach in no time, just making you look like an idiot.

In other words: as soon as you accept his challenge, you put him on equal footing with you. You don't know how good he's gonna be at putting you down, and he's on his home turf with a much greater "piss off and leave" advantage than you have. The only way you can end the confrontation is by acceding to his demands that you leave, so as soon as you start it, all he has to do is stand his ground and eventually he'll come out looking better. But if you ignore his attempts to set up the fight, you can shoot him down without offering him a chance to level the playing field.

However, this could just be a difference between our societies. How would that go down where you're from? I guess it's all too possible that our cultures are just that different.

03-01-2011, 04:10 AM	#50 (permalink)
MoonlitSunshine Dat's Der Bunny! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,088	dj, I couldn't help but notice when reading through this thread that you often seem to favour a very... openly aggressive stance when it comes to confrontations. Like, in the whiskey situation, your hindsight response was to rip into the guy (in his own store, where he probably had the upper ground in any confrontation) and basically make a battle of it. The was another situation in thre thread where you talked about a similar situation where you would have eaten the guy's face off had you thought about it at the time (I can't remember the exact details, but the response was the same). I'm just wondering, are you of the opinion that this is the best thing to do, if you want to impress a girl watching the whole thing? I don't mean to undermine you or anything, but where I'm from, blowing up because of a nasty comment is a sign of insecurity, which would be picked up on instantly by any girl. The fact that you would react so aggressively to the comment just shows that the other guy managed to hit you where it hurts. In my society, it's better to either roll with it and make a joke out of it (and make the girl laugh), or make a calm, slightly stabbing rebuttal implying that they have no clue what they're on about (Implying that you are totally unfazed by their meagre attempt to put you down). The instant you react aggressively is the instant you lose. For example, I would ascribe much more to boozin's approach to the situation: basically ignoring his attempts to clear you out like he's not there, maybe keep asking him and the girl questions while you wander around the shop to frustrate him. Obviously, he wants to chat up the girl, and there's no way you're gonna manage it while he's there (indefinitely :P) so you may as well screw his chances even more, and hell, if you're funny enough in the process, you might get the girl on your side against him (especially if he reacts aggressively to your calm conversation). However, if you started going on about how he needed to take his cialis... it allows him to protray you as the bad guy, the stuck up young one trash talking him in his own store. If he's in any way experienced (which he probably is, owning a liquor store), he'd shut down that sort of approach in no time, just making you look like an idiot. In other words: as soon as you accept his challenge, you put him on equal footing with you. You don't know how good he's gonna be at putting you down, and he's on his home turf with a much greater "piss off and leave" advantage than you have. The only way you can end the confrontation is by acceding to his demands that you leave, so as soon as you start it, all he has to do is stand his ground and eventually he'll come out looking better. But if you ignore his attempts to set up the fight, you can shoot him down without offering him a chance to level the playing field. However, this could just be a difference between our societies. How would that go down where you're from? I guess it's all too possible that our cultures are just that different. __________________ "I found it eventually, at the bottom of a locker in a disused laboratory, with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard". Ever thought of going into Advertising?" - Arthur Dent Last edited by MoonlitSunshine; 03-01-2011 at 04:16 AM.