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Old 12-01-2018, 11:25 PM   #111 (permalink)
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Not really that false. There's reasons why religious debate tends to be polar. Infalsifiability is what drives the discourse, or else one side would have triumphed over the other a long time ago.
Mmmm, no not really.

Because it goes back to most people seeing a lack of a god or a higher meaning as negative. The idea of god is comforting to a lot of people.So people are going to go with what comforts them rather than what's logical majority of the time.
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Old 12-01-2018, 11:26 PM   #112 (permalink)
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Seems like you don't really understand atheism, then.
My lesson for tonight: I don't understand this concept because blah blah blah (subjective viewpoint) blah blah (unrelated concept) blah blah. Thanks for making it so I don't have to take a philosophy course in university. That **** would be tedious.
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Old 12-01-2018, 11:28 PM   #113 (permalink)
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Mmmm, no not really.

Because it goes back to most people seeing a lack of a god or a higher meaning as negative. The idea of god is comforting to a lot of people.So people are going to go with what comforts them rather than what's logical majority of the time.
And that comforting thought happens to be unfalsifiable which is why religion is so frustrating. I'm sure if you drilled a religious person long enough on why they believe what they believe they'd eventually say "well you can't disprove it!"

Unfortunately that's just indicative of not being able to please or, in this case, convince everybody.
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I never recognized or knew of a philosophical pessimism that exists separately from the behavior.

So maybe nihilism, like you already said, comes from philosophical pessimism and I'm just confusing it with the other because I'm not familiar with it as a separate entity.
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Philosophically it's less about good vs bad and more a judgement of the functionality of societal progress and/or creating personal meaning.
Very true. Philosophical pessimism in particular deals a lot in societal progress and definitely in personal meaning.
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And that comforting thought happens to be unfalsifiable which is why religion is so frustrating. I'm sure if you drilled a religious person long enough on why they believe what they believe they'd eventually say "well you can't disprove it!"

Unfortunately that's just indicative of not being able to please or, in this case, convince everybody.
No, I haven't because I don't care. There is a difference between being religious and being a theist. You can disprove religions such as there being no evidence of Jesus's existence outside of the bible when there should be plenty of references in other historical texts or maybe even remains. But you can't disprove theism.
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I never recognized or knew of a philosophical pessimism that exists separately from the behavior.

So maybe nihilism, like you already said, comes from philosophical pessimism and I'm just confusing it with the other because I'm not familiar with it as a separate entity.
I didn't really know about it until recently when I did some research on it. It's an interesting concept but it's riddled with a lot of downer concepts that'll even take the air out of a nihilist. But if we're speaking specifically to modernity Schopenhauer predated Nietzsche by quite a bit.
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My lesson for tonight: I don't understand this concept because, while well-meaning, applying the logical equivalency of apparent fact to wholly illogical and invalidated concepts is counter-intuitive.
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I think nihilism existed prior to Nietzsche though.

Edit: According to wikipedia the Buddhists were the original nihilists.
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No, I haven't because I don't care. There is a difference between being religious and being a theist. You can disprove religions such as there being no evidence of Jesus's existence outside of the bible when there should be plenty of references in other historical texts or maybe even remains. But you can't disprove theism.
Lol I gave up on trying to convince theists (again Lucem you're doing me right by lending me more specific terms that I didn't think to use at first, thank you for saving me partially from getting my face egged ) a long ass time ago for that very reason- I don't care.

As for the disproving of Christianity, you could make that very cut-and-dry argument against the ideology, but in the end the most dedicated theists would do the most ridiculous mental gymnastics simply because of how attached they are to their belief.

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That's just cause god zapped them all out of existence cause he's testing us!
Again, the irritating unfalsifiability of religion becomes apparent. And irritating.
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