GuD

Everyone cherry picks which parts of nature they wanna be involved with. That's what building a society is. The difference between human beings and other animals is that we have that privilege of choice. I've said it a million times before here but imo, unless you really don't have an alternative, eating meat is just selfish. You're saying you care more about what an animal tastes like than about their life. It's a really unattractive and basic behavior imo. There are so many alternatives that just get looked down on because, especially in america, they're not as readily if at all endorsed.

Kader

this is so nice. you must be proud.

John Wilkes Booth

don't put words in my mouth, chula. why am i going to ridicule someone raising money for the homeless? (get over it TH, putting 'the' in front of something doesn't make it derogatory)

John Wilkes Booth

care to elaborate?

my pov is that pretty much everything we do is natural.. we're just advanced animals that developed a complex set of tools and behaviors

honestly though, what you're doing by placing some moral imperative against predation isn't just cherry picking nature... it's actually saying **** nature in general.

poetic... but not really true. building a society is just a survival strategy, when you get right down to it.

i basically agree.. though i wouldn't word it the way you did necessarily.. i'd say the difference is that we're more intelligent and thus have a greater amount of strategies for survival.

all life is selfish.

actually i'm just doing what humans evolved to do, i'm basically just taking nature as it is instead of trying to dress it up like some disney cartoon.

you can say eating meat/being selfish is unattractive. i say putting a moral imperative against the basic way that nature works is childish and deluded. it just shows a lack of appreciation for the world and a failure to cope with the nature of reality.

saying it's somehow different when humans eat meat 'cause we could choose not to' is just about the pettiest cause you could take up. it will reduce the actual amount of suffering in the world by an infinitesimal amount. it's just a way to pat yourself on the the back for accomplishing nothing while meaning well. like going without electricity for a day to 'fight global warming'

and i already know you'll probably come back with some you so cynical type ****... but honestly i don't even see it as negative. i just see it as reality. it's not always nice and pretty. sometimes it is. sometimes it's brutal. i'm at peace with that fact. are you?

GuD

I was gonna say if you can't take the time to be compassionate towards something so basic you'll never understand anything more complex. But the fact that imo its basic behavior to eat meat makes saying that self defeating.

Trollheart

Already has been. And kudos to your daughter.
As you say yourself, no. It's not the "the" part that pisses me off, it's you lumping all homeless in as one species. Like people who lose their house because the bank takes it, people whose rent is too high and they have to move out, and junkies and winos are all the same to you? You get over it. I stand by what I said. At least call them "homeless people", not as if they were some alien race.

You're the one making it derogatory, not the indefinite article. That's just working for a living.

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The Batlord

It's a joke thread. The fact that you're taking it seriously just makes you look goofy.

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John Wilkes Booth

that doesn't even make sense. what does complexity have to with compassion? and who's to say i'm not compassionate? i don't want animals to suffer. but the fact is that this is just part of life, for any organism. i think it's more mature/civilized to come to terms with that than to just ignore it.

i don't even want to really deride anyone if they decide to be vegan or whatever. but as for the moral imperative... yea, no. it seems like you people are living with your eyes closed or something.

i mean maybe we shouldn't have roads, since building a road is basically saying that us getting where we need to go fast is worth more than all the life that will be destroyed in the process of building the road.

John Wilkes Booth

i never said anything about species... you are just being silly

if i talk about "feeding the poor" or "taxing the rich", am i stripping those people of their humanity too? get off your pedastool, son.

plus, i made it pretty explicitly clear that i was referring to the perpetually homeless, i.e. those who seem to just stay homeless, for one reason or another (drugs, mental problems, etc). not people who temporarily find themselves in bad times.

Trollheart

There's no evidence it's a joke thread. It's not in the "jokes" section. You made fun of his suggestions, but JWB has said more controversial things in earnest, so I don't know if he's serious or not. If he's not, then fine, I withdraw my outraged remark. But he'll need to let me know if this is actually one of his plans for the world when he gets into power, or if he's just pullin' my chain. You never know with this guy: what might seem like a joke could be something he's actually proposing. Remember, this is the guy who thinks it's okay to **** animals....

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