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Old 10-27-2019, 06:08 AM   #67831 (permalink)
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He makes some good points though. If you look around you at what people mean when they talk about an adult life, it's very much giving in and conforming to the path society wants you to take. Nothing wrong with doing that if it makes you happy, but if you feel like you can't or don't want to be a part of society you can't really be an adult, and just pulling yourself up and making something of your life is much harder and feels more pointless than it might seem to others, although I agree with JWB etc that you should never just give up.

Also, it's perfectly valid to have a discussion like this on a conceptual level without bringing up each other's life choices, but everyone resorts to that really quickly in this ongoing discussion and the result is that you're all being unfair to each other. It's just pretty pointless
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Old 10-27-2019, 06:51 AM   #67832 (permalink)
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Tbf I called his mom, too

Not for the same reason however
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Old 10-27-2019, 07:19 AM   #67833 (permalink)
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I wasn't bragging about it being ****ty. You're the one who sees it that way, despite having zero experience.

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You know to be perfectly ****ing honest over the last few years I've come to the conclusion that, what the **** is so great about "adults"? By and large throughout all of history most "adults" have come to the conclusion that you must deal with the world you live in as it is and just get on with it. Work as you must to survive because you need to just "accept reality" to provide for yourself and your family and coming to any other conclusion is the province of effete intellectuals.

But it's societies full of adults who ignore everything that happens in those societies who allow for everything that makes the world a terrible place. They ignore genocides, inequalities, tyrants, invasions of other countries for the sake of stealing land and resources, etc, all so that they can just make their way through life as best they can because they can't be bothered and it's "mature" to simply accept reality no matter how it comes.

And who is it who makes societies actually worth living in for all of these adults? Philosophers who advance morality and political thought beyond the scope of the understanding of "adults", artists who express concepts "adults" abandon as not practical for survival. "Adults" are only valuable as cogs in a machine that only has value by disregarding the petty, shallow values of adults who in the end are nothing more than enablers for sociopathic leaders.

So **** you basically, you flat, boring ****
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if Bat's mom kicked him out he'd either end up dead or more than likely after some short term suffering, much much happier
My parents would have to be really good climbers and diggers to be able to bail me out!
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Old 10-27-2019, 08:39 AM   #67834 (permalink)
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Adult life, it's very much giving in and conforming to the path society wants you to take.
That's one way to look at the carnival ride. Not the only way. Certainly not the way I looked at it.

Society didn't 'want' me to take any paths. I needed a job to buy food, pay rent, have fun, etc. And then after the first kid I chose to try and make more money. Society didn't push me - I just had more mouths to feed.

Question: If you choose not to conform to some path out of defiance, or rebellion, or in some cases, pure laziness, then what's the alternative?

Oh, I know.
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Old 10-27-2019, 08:42 AM   #67835 (permalink)
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Sure, many people don't take that path because society wants them to, and if you want it yourself and don't resist, you don't feel any push. If that works out, it's nice. However, it is still the path society would have wanted you to take, regardless of your own opinion, and finding a different option if you don't want it is very hard
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Old 10-27-2019, 08:51 AM   #67836 (permalink)
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Old 10-27-2019, 09:29 AM   #67837 (permalink)
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No matter what kind of society you idealize, your ultimately just holding your hand out and asking either corporations or the government to hand you your life's purpose on a silver platter. The best someone can hope for is that their interests (in a career sense) line up somewhat with whoever is willing to throw you a bone.

You'd have to fundamentally rewire the way human beings tend to "settle" into their lives in order to have a different kind of approach to society than we've seen up until this point (like a true communist type of society or a moneyless society).

Cause the way I see it, everyone is lazy af when you take away any kind of real incentive and nobody really wants to be "equal" to everyone else, because then you don't have an opportunity to show off how your more exciting or interesting or whatever than your peers. Look at the way people act on social media and tell me I'm wrong.
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Old 10-27-2019, 10:12 AM   #67838 (permalink)
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However, it is still the path society would have wanted you to take.
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No matter what kind of society you idealize, your ultimately just holding your hand out and asking either corporations or the government to hand you your life's purpose on a silver platter.
Just who/what is this 'society' you speak of? Funny, no one told me what to do. And once I did it no one put a star on my forehead. I was pretty young and stupid when I figured out work=money. Did society plant that in my head for me?

Is Society kinda like God?
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Old 10-27-2019, 10:32 AM   #67839 (permalink)
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Yep, Mindfulness, Eddie Vedder's songs on that soundtrack quite impressed me. Some nice (too short) ones without any lyrics as well.

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Society didn't 'want' me to take any paths. I needed a job to buy food, pay rent, have fun, etc.
^ Yes that was my experience too - and I was lucky enough to find a place in society that suited me. Society is uncaring in a million ways, especially to people who aren't in the club, but it's like Jim Morrison sang, "Women seem wicked when you're unwanted," i.e. our own personal negative experiences might be making villains out of people who are just neutrally going about their own business.

Society is unlikely to fix all the world's injustices and politicians who present society as a perfect solution to the world's probs are pretty annoying, because afaik that is not neccesarily the role of society. But if you are a part of it, society does give a measure of security, a measure of comfort in what is otherwise a really brutal world - as that poor Into The Wild guy discovered to his cost.

In fact, I pretty much agree with Anteater's post, which is not a common experience for me in these types of discussion.
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Old 10-27-2019, 10:33 AM   #67840 (permalink)
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'Society' is a vague term I'm using because people know well enough what you mean by it, and I'm too lazy to spend my time defining the concept more thouroughly. What I mean by 'the path society wants you to take' is also pretty vague of course. I can best explain it by giving a typical example: someone finishes high school, goes to college, gets a job in an office and a nice suburban home, marries, has two kids, works at least 40 hours a week and spends his/her weekends fishing or playing tennis or whatever. I don't mean having any kind of job in general.

And of course people don't explicity tell you what to do, things are more subtle than that. And you don't get any metaphorical stars because it is taken for granted.

Don't view this as an attack on anyone conforming to that way of life. It's not meant that way.

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^ Yes that was my experience too - and I was lucky enough to find a place in society that suited me. Society is uncaring in a million ways, especially to people who aren't in the club, but it's like Jim Morrison sang, "Women seem wicked when you're unwanted," i.e. our own personal negative experiences might be making villains out of people who are just neutrally going about their own business.

Society is unlikely to fix all the world's injustices and politicians who present society as a perfect solution to the world's probs are pretty annoying, because afaik that is not neccesarily the role of society. But if you are a part of it, society does give a measure of security, a measure of comfort in what is otherwise a really brutal world - as that poor Into The Wild guy discovered to his cost.
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