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Frownland 11-07-2016 04:57 PM

Cultural appropriation is fear of integration.

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1766754)
I honestly can't tell if one, both, or neither of you is kidding.

Goofle might be kidding.

The Batlord 11-07-2016 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1766754)
I honestly can't tell if one, both, or neither of you is kidding.

I am definitely not kidding.

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1766755)
You don't see a problem with cultural appropriation?

Can you honestly look at a weaboo with a straight face?

That has nothing to do with cultural appropriation and everything to do with the most embarrassing parts of nerd culture.

Paedantic Basterd 11-07-2016 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1766755)
You don't see a problem with cultural appropriation?

I'm all about respecting people and their wishes, but I also don't believe that cultural appropriation has any sort of clear protocol. Why are foods, music, art, and words fine to appropriate, but clothing and symbols are off-limits? Further, culture is a construct, an idea, and it's not possible to control the spread or evolution of ideas. Culture is dynamic by its very nature, and wherever two cultures meet, there's going to be merging and trading of ideas. It's impossible to avoid, and with more cultural connections than ever right now, it blows my mind how people can expect all ideas to remain off-limits.

Tristan_Geoff 11-07-2016 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1766760)
The argument started because at her school (she's an elementary school teacher) they had a vote for a mascot. I can't remember the finalists, but one of the options was "the Warriors" which was then scrapped because apparently that makes me people think of Indians which in turn is culutural appropriation. She actually tried to draw a comparison from this to wearing black face.

With that being said,

I think not wearing black face comes down to whether or not you're a douchebag or not, it has nothing to do with "appropriating culture." I believe in complete freedom. If you want to dress up like a Native American for Halloween, go for it. If you want to sit around and watch anime all the time and cosplay in public, do ya thang bruv.

Idk really. I mean I think if the group is actually against the thing or it has implications of racism/ethnicism it should be banned, but with the case of like the "Redskins" thing, 9/10 Native Americans don't even give a **** and it was mostly something perpetuated by whites to change. As for the weab thing, regardless of whether it's cultural appropriation or not it's just ****in unneeded. C'mon now.

Tristan_Geoff 11-07-2016 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1766765)
I'm all about respecting people and their wishes, but I also don't believe that cultural appropriation has any sort of clear protocol. Why are foods, music, art, and words fine to appropriate, but clothing and symbols are off-limits? Further, culture is a construct, an idea, and it's not possible to control the spread or evolution of ideas. Culture is dynamic by its very nature, and wherever two cultures meet, there's going to be merging and trading of ideas. It's impossible to avoid, and with more cultural connections than ever right now, it blows my mind how people can expect all ideas to remain off-limits.

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The Batlord 11-07-2016 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1766767)
Idk really. I mean I think if the group is actually against the thing or it has implications of racism/ethnicism it should be banned, but with the case of like the "Redskins" thing, 9/10 Native Americans don't even give a **** and it was mostly something perpetuated by whites to change. As for the weab thing, regardless of whether it's cultural appropriation or not it's just ****in unneeded. C'mon now.

Any examples that aren't just racism? If not then do we really need more jargon?

Tristan_Geoff 11-07-2016 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1766771)
Any examples that aren't just racism? If not then do we really need more jargon?

Hm. You've gotten a point there, seeing as my example was in fact blackface.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-07-2016 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1766767)
Idk really. I mean I think if the group is actually against the thing or it has implications of racism/ethnicism it should be banned, but with the case of like the "Redskins" thing, 9/10 Native Americans don't even give a **** and it was mostly something perpetuated by whites to change. As for the weab thing, regardless of whether it's cultural appropriation or not it's just ****in unneeded. C'mon now.

But why? It doesn't affect you and your everyday life. Like I said, let people do what they want.

Goofle 11-07-2016 05:11 PM

If somebody could name one right men have over women i'd be happy to advocate for that right too. But I'm only aware of inequalities faced by men, and advocate for those rights.

The Batlord 11-07-2016 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1766775)
Hm. You've gotten a point there, seeing as my example was in fact blackface.

It's not exactly appropriating culture when you're mocking it.

Frownland 11-07-2016 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1766786)
If somebody could name one right men have over women i'd be happy to advocate for that right too. But I'm only aware of inequalities faced by men, and advocate for those rights.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Turner

His rights were ruled to be more important.

The Batlord 11-07-2016 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1766786)
If somebody could name one right men have over women i'd be happy to advocate for that right too. But I'm only aware of inequalities faced by men, and advocate for those rights.

Rights ≠inequalities

djchameleon 11-07-2016 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1766767)
Idk really. I mean I think if the group is actually against the thing or it has implications of racism/ethnicism it should be banned, but with the case of like the "Redskins" thing, 9/10 Native Americans don't even give a **** and it was mostly something perpetuated by whites to change. As for the weab thing, regardless of whether it's cultural appropriation or not it's just ****in unneeded. C'mon now.

I saw a video one time where this guy interviewed a bunch of Japanese people and they were perfectly fine with weab culture. They actually applauded them, they say why should it matter? They were actually happy that people in a different country love their country so much that they end up idolizing it more than their own country. They were flattered. So I don't see what the big deal is.

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1766786)
If somebody could name one right men have over women i'd be happy to advocate for that right too. But I'm only aware of inequalities faced by men, and advocate for those rights.

What are these inequalities faced by men?

Tristan_Geoff 11-07-2016 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1766787)
It's not exactly appropriating culture when you're mocking it.

See but that's kinda what I see weab culture as being.

Tristan_Geoff 11-07-2016 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1766795)
I saw a video one time where this guy interviewed a bunch of Japanese people and they were perfectly fine with weab culture. They actually applauded them, they say why should it matter? They were actually happy that people in a different country love their country so much that they end up idolizing it more than their own country. They were flattered. So I don't see what the big deal is.



What are these inequalities faced by men?

See my link from a few pages ago.

The Batlord 11-07-2016 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1766795)
I saw a video one time where this guy interviewed a bunch of Japanese people and they were perfectly fine with weab culture. They actually applauded them, they say why should it matter? They were actually happy that people in a different country love their country so much that they end up idolizing it more than their own country. They were flattered. So I don't see what the big deal is.

Of course those racist slopes would think so.

The Batlord 11-07-2016 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1766798)
See but that's kinda what I see weab culture as being.

So far as I know they're not mocking anything. They're just delusional.

Goofle 11-07-2016 05:29 PM

Rights.

Tristan_Geoff 11-07-2016 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1766800)
Of course those racist slopes would think so.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...0585d86f9a.gif

djchameleon 11-07-2016 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1766798)
See but that's kinda what I see weab culture as being.

They aren't mocking the culture though.


Tristan_Geoff 11-07-2016 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1766805)
They aren't mocking the culture though.


Guess I'm proven wrong. Once again, I shouldn't be involved in these discussions cause I don't know ****.


Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-07-2016 05:36 PM

See? Cultural appropriation is a myth. Take that, Buzzfeed.

Tristan_Geoff 11-07-2016 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1766809)
See? Cultural appropriation is a myth. Take that, Buzzfeed.

I don't know what to think about anything anymore after today. Modern culture rights issues are so confusing.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-07-2016 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1766810)
I don't know what to think about anything anymore after today. Modern culture rights issues are so confusing.

I had this realization earlier in the year, kind of did a total 180 in political ideologies.

Goofle 11-07-2016 05:40 PM

Anyway, if people have the chance watch 'The Red Pill' documentary, make the effort. it might change a few opinions.

It's not airing in the UK at them moment but I think some places in the US and Australia might have it.

Tristan_Geoff 11-07-2016 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1766813)
I had this realization earlier in the year, kind of did a total 180 in political ideologies.

I guess being just tolerant of everyone regardless of anything is just the right way to go in the end without campaigning anyone's views over the others. There's two sides to everything and I know that not everything in life is black and white. Gotta love being INFP.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-07-2016 05:42 PM

Did you sign the petition for it? I think it hit the number of signatures they were aiming for.

Goofle 11-07-2016 05:45 PM

Nah, I didn't know about it until it was already being screened.

Tristan_Geoff 11-07-2016 06:07 PM

Watching the trailer. Looks interesting but right off the bat, let me tell ya that circumcision is a blessing, not a curse. Idk what their stance is but I can immediately come back with some responses.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-07-2016 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1766830)
Watching the trailer. Looks interesting but right off the bat, let me tell ya that circumcision is a blessing, not a curse. Idk what their stance is but I can immediately come back with some responses.

I'm not in any camp on circumcision because I'm not a ***, but I'm glad I was cut. Whenever I see an uncircumcised dick while watching porn I throw up a little.

Tristan_Geoff 11-07-2016 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1766832)
I'm not in any camp on circumcision because I'm not a ***, but I'm glad I was cut. Whenever I see an uncircumcised dick while watching porn I throw up a little.

Well, first of all it makes it much much more prone to infection.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-07-2016 06:16 PM

Stats, yo.

Tristan_Geoff 11-07-2016 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1766837)
Stats, yo.

Circumcision Vs Uncircumcised

Paedantic Basterd 11-07-2016 06:19 PM

What about stats from an unbiased source of information...

Goofle 11-07-2016 06:19 PM

if you're making the argument for cutting the genitals of children I am afraid to say that you are not a particularly great person.

Tristan_Geoff 11-07-2016 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1766840)
What about stats from an unbiased source of information...

Circumcision: Preparation, Procedure, Pros & Cons

Tristan_Geoff 11-07-2016 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1766841)
if you're making the argument for cutting the genitals of children I am afraid to say that you are not a particularly great person.

Um. No comment I guess. Never thought that far yet (keep in mind guys, take everything I say with the smallest grain of salt cause I'm mostly clueless to everything).

Goofle 11-07-2016 06:24 PM

That's kinda why I bring this stuff up.

Ol’ Qwerty Bastard 11-07-2016 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1766841)
if you're making the argument for cutting the genitals of children I am afraid to say that you are not a particularly great person.

But like, it's not like you're really losing anything. I can understand where you're coming from, but I don't know anyone who grows up to resent the fact that they were circumcised.

Tristan_Geoff 11-07-2016 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy (Post 1766847)
But like, it's not like you're really losing anything. I can understand where you're coming from, but I don't know anyone who grows up to resent the fact that they were circumcised.

I can stand by this. But also there is that one story where they chopped the guys whole penis off by accident and the parents decided to raise him as a girl... and then he committed suicide as an adult after learning of this. But like I said. I have no ****ing clue where to stand on anything anymore.


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