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The Batlord · 10-25-2017, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

No. We can’t.

I'm assuming we have different ideas of fixing this ****. I'm down with Finland, but I guess as a hardcore anarchist socialist you've got other ideas. Maybe express those before ****ting on everything else.

**Frownland** · 10-25-2017, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Clever answer. Go do it then. I guarantee you have no idea how hopeless it is.

Are you a teacher?

For me, hopeless would mean that half or more of my students fail.

The Batlord · 10-25-2017, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

again this is hypothetical

But any system that wanted any success in producing a smart populace would have to allow children the freedom to explore what they're naturally compelled to learn on a principle of critical thinking

To be perfectly honest if you gave them that option without a century of enforced education I imagine they'd all just go raise crops and work in factories to raise money for their families. The populace never made themselves smart in tens of thousands of years. The public education system didn't either, but it made a better attempt than anything else I'm aware of. It's not perfect, but at least it's put in our minds that children should learn ****.

OccultHawk · 10-25-2017, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I'm assuming we have different ideas of fixing this ****. I'm down with Finland, but I guess as a hardcore anarchist socialist you've got other ideas. Maybe express those before ****ting on everything else.

I usually don’t usually reveal my **** on here but it really doesn’t matter anymore. I taught in Japan for ten years and in American public schools for another ten. There’s no workable solution for America. The schools are just going to keep getting ****tier and ****tier. There’s no solution. Or at least no pill we’re willing to swallow. Behind the scenes almost every teacher says the same thing. It’s ****ing pointless. This idea, that idea. The ugly truth is we’re being populated by the last people who should be having kids. I promise you, single mothers do not want their kids. They’re paychecks. The kids are just a ****ty job they hate. The kids know they’re hated because they’re neglected and treated like a burden.

Universal Basic Income. Don’t reproduce your worthless DNA to blackmail society into supporting you. We need to support them regardless and stigmatize people who have kids that shouldn’t. The government punish them; the public should.

**** these women with 5 kids from 5 different fathers and no means at all to support them. Not financially or emotionally. Then dump them off at “school”. Then people talk about why the schools are ****ed.

See for your ****ing selves

OccultHawk · 10-25-2017, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Are you a teacher?

For me, hopeless would mean that half or more of my students fail.

You’re forced to pass them no matter what they do. It’s not half that should receive F’s it’s like 90%. They know they don’t have to do anything. Teachers who fail students get scrutinized and fired.

OccultHawk · 10-25-2017, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Are you a teacher?

For me, hopeless would mean that half or more of my students fail.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

the proletariat couldn't eat books so yeah they worked in the factories under a member of a leisure class

teach a kid to read take him to the library for 4 hours a day for 12 years he turns out smarter than a public school student I'd imagine

he won't know ****ing geometry (unless he likes math who knows) but he'll be able to tell when someone's full of ****

They already know who’s full of ****. All of us. That’s why they hate you. And if you don’t think they hate you, go stand in front of them.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 10-25-2017, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Universal Basic Income.

Are you for or against a universal basic income?

BASIC INCOME: The Key To Poverty Eradication & Societal Growth

OccultHawk · 10-25-2017, 07:42 PM

For it. It’s the first step toward eradicating money altogether.

The Batlord · 10-25-2017, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I usually don’t usually reveal my **** on here but it really doesn’t matter anymore. I taught in Japan for ten years and in American public schools for another ten. There’s no workable solution for America. The schools are just going to keep getting ****tier and ****tier. There’s no solution. Or at least no pill we’re willing to swallow. Behind the scenes almost every teacher says the same thing. It’s ****ing pointless. This idea, that idea. The ugly truth is we’re being populated by the last people who should be having kids. I promise you, single mothers do not want their kids. They’re paychecks. The kids are just a ****ty job they hate. The kids know they’re hated because they’re neglected and treated like a burden.

Universal Basic Income. Don’t reproduce your worthless DNA to blackmail society into supporting you. We need to support them regardless and stigmatize people who have kids that shouldn’t. The government punish them; the public should.

**** these women with 5 kids from 5 different fathers and no means at all to support them. Not financially or emotionally. Then dump them off at “school”. Then people talk about why the schools are ****ed.
See for your ****ing selves

I guess you have more experience than I do on the other end, but I don't think parents don't care about their kids or want them to succeed. But I can definitely believe that they don't necessarily believe in the education system as it is, even if they're too ignorant or lazy to conceptualize what they actually want the education system to be. But, again, I most definitely don't believe that they don't want their kids as that would not make any sense whatsoever given the evolution of life itself, as one of, if not the most powerful force in evolution is to make parents want their kids. I honestly think you're just pushing your prejudices against society on education and people in general.

Seriously, it would be a ****ing absolute evolutionary mind**** that parents didn't want their kids when they were basically the only evolutionary reason that those parents even existed in the first place. It's simply what life ****ing is.

Trollheart · 10-25-2017, 07:44 PM

Knowing nothing of the American school system I ask: what subjects are mandatory? Say from, what is it you call it? High school? From there on. We used to have (probably still do) English, Irish, some other language (usually Spanish or French, in some cases maybe German), Maths, Science (split up after primary school into three disciplines: Chemistry, Biology and Physics), History, Geography and (of course) Religion. Just wondering: of those, I enjoyed English (obv), History, some Geography, even a little Spanish and French, to the point where I can still remember some of the passages in the books. Most of the rest I hated, maths was my worst subject. Children were, are and always will be pricks, but if you're prepared to kind of "learn on the sly", keep your head down and not look too much like a swot/teacher's pet, you can actually get something from school. Well, I did. And I hated school.

But with the prevalence of information available now that was not there when I went to school, I do wonder if, if you could trust kids/parents to, teaching at home via the internet etc could work? It certainly seems the school system is being used more as, as Occult says, a way of dumping your kids on someone else for seven hours a day.

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Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,970	Knowing nothing of the American school system I ask: what subjects are mandatory? Say from, what is it you call it? High school? From there on. We used to have (probably still do) English, Irish, some other language (usually Spanish or French, in some cases maybe German), Maths, Science (split up after primary school into three disciplines: Chemistry, Biology and Physics), History, Geography and (of course) Religion. Just wondering: of those, I enjoyed English (obv), History, some Geography, even a little Spanish and French, to the point where I can still remember some of the passages in the books. Most of the rest I hated, maths was my worst subject. Children were, are and always will be pricks, but if you're prepared to kind of "learn on the sly", keep your head down and not look too much like a swot/teacher's pet, you can actually get something from school. Well, I did. And I hated school. But with the prevalence of information available now that was not there when I went to school, I do wonder if, if you could trust kids/parents to, teaching at home via the internet etc could work? It certainly seems the school system is being used more as, as Occult says, a way of dumping your kids on someone else for seven hours a day. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018