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OccultHawk · 10-25-2017, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Are you a teacher?

For me, hopeless would mean that half or more of my students fail.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

the proletariat couldn't eat books so yeah they worked in the factories under a member of a leisure class

teach a kid to read take him to the library for 4 hours a day for 12 years he turns out smarter than a public school student I'd imagine

he won't know ****ing geometry (unless he likes math who knows) but he'll be able to tell when someone's full of ****

They already know who’s full of ****. All of us. That’s why they hate you. And if you don’t think they hate you, go stand in front of them.

10-25-2017, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Universal Basic Income.

Are you for or against a universal basic income?

BASIC INCOME: The Key To Poverty Eradication & Societal Growth

OccultHawk · 10-25-2017, 07:42 PM

For it. It’s the first step toward eradicating money altogether.

The Batlord · 10-25-2017, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I usually don’t usually reveal my **** on here but it really doesn’t matter anymore. I taught in Japan for ten years and in American public schools for another ten. There’s no workable solution for America. The schools are just going to keep getting ****tier and ****tier. There’s no solution. Or at least no pill we’re willing to swallow. Behind the scenes almost every teacher says the same thing. It’s ****ing pointless. This idea, that idea. The ugly truth is we’re being populated by the last people who should be having kids. I promise you, single mothers do not want their kids. They’re paychecks. The kids are just a ****ty job they hate. The kids know they’re hated because they’re neglected and treated like a burden.

Universal Basic Income. Don’t reproduce your worthless DNA to blackmail society into supporting you. We need to support them regardless and stigmatize people who have kids that shouldn’t. The government punish them; the public should.

**** these women with 5 kids from 5 different fathers and no means at all to support them. Not financially or emotionally. Then dump them off at “school”. Then people talk about why the schools are ****ed.
See for your ****ing selves

I guess you have more experience than I do on the other end, but I don't think parents don't care about their kids or want them to succeed. But I can definitely believe that they don't necessarily believe in the education system as it is, even if they're too ignorant or lazy to conceptualize what they actually want the education system to be. But, again, I most definitely don't believe that they don't want their kids as that would not make any sense whatsoever given the evolution of life itself, as one of, if not the most powerful force in evolution is to make parents want their kids. I honestly think you're just pushing your prejudices against society on education and people in general.

Seriously, it would be a ****ing absolute evolutionary mind**** that parents didn't want their kids when they were basically the only evolutionary reason that those parents even existed in the first place. It's simply what life ****ing is.

Trollheart · 10-25-2017, 07:44 PM

Knowing nothing of the American school system I ask: what subjects are mandatory? Say from, what is it you call it? High school? From there on. We used to have (probably still do) English, Irish, some other language (usually Spanish or French, in some cases maybe German), Maths, Science (split up after primary school into three disciplines: Chemistry, Biology and Physics), History, Geography and (of course) Religion. Just wondering: of those, I enjoyed English (obv), History, some Geography, even a little Spanish and French, to the point where I can still remember some of the passages in the books. Most of the rest I hated, maths was my worst subject. Children were, are and always will be pricks, but if you're prepared to kind of "learn on the sly", keep your head down and not look too much like a swot/teacher's pet, you can actually get something from school. Well, I did. And I hated school.

But with the prevalence of information available now that was not there when I went to school, I do wonder if, if you could trust kids/parents to, teaching at home via the internet etc could work? It certainly seems the school system is being used more as, as Occult says, a way of dumping your kids on someone else for seven hours a day.

The Batlord · 10-25-2017, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I guess you have more experience than I do on the other end, but I don't think parents don't care about their kids or want them to succeed. But I can definitely believe that they don't necessarily believe in the education system as it is, even if they're too ignorant or lazy to conceptualize what they actually want the education system to be. But, again, I most definitely don't believe that they don't want their kids as that would not make any sense whatsoever given the evolution of life itself, as one of, if not the most powerful force in evolution is to make parents want their kids. I honestly think you're just pushing your prejudices against society on education and people in general.

Seriously, it would be a ****ing absolute evolutionary mind**** that parents didn't want their kids when they were basically the only evolutionary reason that those parents even existed in the first place. It's simply what life ****ing is.

Honestly I'd like to go a bit more into this because I think OccultHawk's point is a bit more pertinent than we'd like to think. I don't think parents don't care, but I think it's easy for parents to see school as a caretaker for kids when they're at work, and as a panacea for the idea of their children's future when it really isn't, and so they don't really try to question the whole idea. OccultHawk is kind of right that parents don't care, but not in the sense that they just straight up ****ing don't care about their kids, but school makes it easy for that part of themselves that wants an easy answer to win out over that part that legitimately does care and wants the best for their children, cause hey, the government tells them that there is an answer and who are they to question the establishment?

So like I've been saying, people are stupid and don't have any business deciding what happens in the world outside of their own lives. So I agree with OccultHawk even though I don't? I don't know. Thank god I don't have kids at any rate.

OccultHawk · 10-25-2017, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I guess you have more experience than I do on the other end, but I don't think parents don't care about their kids or want them to succeed. But I can definitely believe that they don't necessarily believe in the education system as it is, even if they're too ignorant or lazy to conceptualize what they actually want the education system to be. But, again, I most definitely don't believe that they don't want their kids as that would not make any sense whatsoever given the evolution of life itself, as one of, if not the most powerful force in evolution is to make parents want their kids. I honestly think you're just pushing your prejudices against society on education and people in general.

Seriously, it would be a ****ing absolute evolutionary mind**** that parents didn't want their kids when they were basically the only evolutionary reason that those parents even existed in the first place.

You make a good point from an evolutionary standpoint. I know this sounds like a cop out but right now I’m not up for getting into it. I know it’s kind of Chula-ish to reveal something like this but I didn’t miss a single question on the evolutionary biology section of the high school science teacher certification test. I’ll get into it more later if you’re interested but our political and economic systems make some basic seemingly obvious assumptions about human evolution incorrect. Keep in mind that with many species it’s evolutionarily advantageous not to concern yourself with the well-being off your offspring. Who’s more likely to get pregnant at 16, a well cared for child or a neglected child? Teen mothers are more evolutionarily fit than those who wait. Do educated men have more children? From an evolutionary standpoint, some dude in prison with six kids out there is king.

The Batlord · 10-25-2017, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

You make a good point from an evolutionary standpoint. I know this sounds like a cop out but right now I’m not up for getting into it. I know it’s kind of Chula-ish to reveal something like this but I didn’t miss a single question on the evolutionary biology section of the high school science teacher certification test. I’ll get into it more later if you’re interested but our political and economic systems make some basic seemingly obvious assumptions about human evolution incorrect. Keep in mind that with many species it’s evolutionarily advantageous not to concern yourself with the well-being off your offspring. Who’s more likely to get pregnant at 16, a well cared for child or a neglected child? Teen mothers are more evolutionarily fit than those who wait. Do educated men have more children? From an evolutionary standpoint, some dude in prison with six kids out there is king.

Check the post directly over yours for my expanded thoughts on your post. I kind of agreed with you in a way. Honestly I think that the kind of advanced society we've developed simply isn't suited to poo flinging apes a few ten thousand years from going to war over bananas.

OccultHawk · 10-25-2017, 08:23 PM

Trolls

The basic high school requirements vary state to state but it’s something like 24 credits. They have to include math up to algebra 2, US and world history, two years of a foreign language, two years of science perhaps “earth science” and biology or chemistry, I’m not sure how much “language arts” (English) and electives. Then you have to pass the state mandated tests for 10th grade profeciency in math and reading or get a waiver awarded by a small “committee”. Many students end up with a certificate of attendance instead of a diploma. The community colleges take them from the certificate of attendance to an actual diploma. The low level community college classes are just as dysfunctional as high school if not worse. Many teachers are afraid to teach these courses. Sincere students often resent the presence of these students as well since they are often violent criminals who have been court ordered to remain in school until 25.

I taught high school in America for two years. Reading and world history. 11th and 12th grade reading was astonishing. It was like what the **** have you been doing for 12 years. ****ers could barely read Cat in the Hat, no ****. You ask them to name a foreign country and they’ll say Alabama, no lie.

The Batlord · 10-25-2017, 08:33 PM

Yeah I'm well aware that people are ****ing stupid. I've been working fast food for a decade and I'm still amazed by just what my coworkers don't know. There have been so many times where I've been left cold wondering how I should react to someone I know not knowing something that I regarded as common knowledge when I've just learned that it is in fact not common knowledge, not just to that person, but to many people in general. My ultimate reaction is that that knowledge means nothing to them since they have no intellectual curiosity, but regardless of the reason for that depressing ignorance, I still believe that the majority of those people would have been interested in a high school course that provided them with practical world knowledge, since I think that the reason that they didn't know that GERMANY WAS A ****ING COUNTRY (or something along those idiot lines) was that it simply didn't feel relevant to their lives and wasn't worth knowing. And yet in-job those people could be perfectly intelligent, even more intelligent than me, because tbh I can be kind of dumb when it comes to practical matters, and my coworkers can be kind of smart. To the point that they actually rise above the level of ape that I might otherwise ascribe to them, no matter how much I might want to denigrate them FOR NOT KNOWING WHAT ****ING GERMANY IS.

10-25-2017, 07:42 PM	#283 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	For it. It’s the first step toward eradicating money altogether. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

10-25-2017, 07:44 PM	#285 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	Knowing nothing of the American school system I ask: what subjects are mandatory? Say from, what is it you call it? High school? From there on. We used to have (probably still do) English, Irish, some other language (usually Spanish or French, in some cases maybe German), Maths, Science (split up after primary school into three disciplines: Chemistry, Biology and Physics), History, Geography and (of course) Religion. Just wondering: of those, I enjoyed English (obv), History, some Geography, even a little Spanish and French, to the point where I can still remember some of the passages in the books. Most of the rest I hated, maths was my worst subject. Children were, are and always will be pricks, but if you're prepared to kind of "learn on the sly", keep your head down and not look too much like a swot/teacher's pet, you can actually get something from school. Well, I did. And I hated school. But with the prevalence of information available now that was not there when I went to school, I do wonder if, if you could trust kids/parents to, teaching at home via the internet etc could work? It certainly seems the school system is being used more as, as Occult says, a way of dumping your kids on someone else for seven hours a day. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

10-25-2017, 08:23 PM	#289 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Trolls The basic high school requirements vary state to state but it’s something like 24 credits. They have to include math up to algebra 2, US and world history, two years of a foreign language, two years of science perhaps “earth science” and biology or chemistry, I’m not sure how much “language arts” (English) and electives. Then you have to pass the state mandated tests for 10th grade profeciency in math and reading or get a waiver awarded by a small “committee”. Many students end up with a certificate of attendance instead of a diploma. The community colleges take them from the certificate of attendance to an actual diploma. The low level community college classes are just as dysfunctional as high school if not worse. Many teachers are afraid to teach these courses. Sincere students often resent the presence of these students as well since they are often violent criminals who have been court ordered to remain in school until 25. I taught high school in America for two years. Reading and world history. 11th and 12th grade reading was astonishing. It was like what the ** have you been doing for 12 years. ers could barely read Cat in the Hat, no **. You ask them to name a foreign country and they’ll say Alabama, no lie. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html