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Old 09-24-2019, 07:17 PM   #781 (permalink)
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We’re gonna Huxley our way out of unhappiness
I doubt it but why?
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:19 PM   #782 (permalink)
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It's like you didn't read anything I said and just restated what you already thought.

Or course scarcity is a universal mindset. It's what all of humanity evolved to live in. So of course it will always be what drives us and will always be what drives us to accumulate more no matter how much we have. So therefore accumulation is a mechanic of humanity and not an end goal. Once you have accumulated "enough" you must therefore find a way to satisfy that mechanic differently because it will still be your driving instinct regardless of whether or not it is necessary.
I absolutely read what you said and thought i was responding to it. I just think we're using the word scarcity different. Because if it's a universal mindset then it follows you will never accumulate "enough." Enough is relative. So you are still motivated by the same basic drive. To earn more. To accumulate more. It's just the actual stakes of failure are less drastic as to go up the financial totem pole.
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:21 PM   #783 (permalink)
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unhappiness from a lack of cause, purpose, function

you don't consider these things if you're in survival mode, but the moment you aren't just a different kind of dread sets in

"the problem of leisure
what to do for pleasure"
... Yes you do. Depending on who you are. The idea that existential crisis is something reserved for the privileged few is just quite simply wrong.
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:22 PM   #784 (permalink)
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yeah it is funny, but I believe communism is about way more than utilitarianism

many of the existentialist writers have been left to full on Marxist
so what is your driving goal if not to improve poor people's lives?
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:29 PM   #785 (permalink)
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I absolutely read what you said and thought i was responding to it. I just think we're using the word scarcity different. Because if it's a universal mindset then it follows you will never accumulate "enough." Enough is relative. So you are still motivated by the same basic drive. To earn more. To accumulate more. It's just the actual stakes of failure are less drastic as to go up the financial totem pole.
The stakes kinda sorta don't matter. Accumulation is an irrational instinct based on experiences we had when we were still worried about having enough food for the day as poo flinging apes. It's an instinct built over millions of years which a house or a substantial bank account do not satisfy because the instinct is too primitive to understand what those things are or that it is possible to have enough for any kind of extended period of time. You might as well tell that instinct that you've watched enough television because guess what, that instinct insists that you haven't watched enough television cause it doesn't understand what television is or even that there's a difference between television and food.
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:30 PM   #786 (permalink)
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I doubt it but why?
I’d rather numb out on Xanax than feel it. And the Soma is only going to get better.

Give me AC, Xanax, ambien, and my phone, and a private room - **** a purpose - **** real interaction - **** sunshine and exercise

I can ride it like that for years too

I wouldn’t have wanted to spent my youth like that but from 45 on sure

Read a couple chapters, listen to a record, watch a show, post some bull**** on here, eat cereal take a nap - it’s very much like what Huxley predicted
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I’d rather numb out on Xanax than feel it. And the Soma is only going to get better.

Give me AC, Xanax, ambien, and my phone, and a private room - **** a purpose - **** real interaction - **** sunshine and exercise

I can ride it like that for years too

I wouldn’t have wanted to spent my youth like that but from 45 on sure

Read a couple chapters, listen to a record, watch a show, post some bull**** on here, eat cereal take a nap - it’s very much like what Huxley predicted
That's literally my life and I don't understand how it's supposed to be more fulfilling. The only thing I can think of is doing something to make life more novel. Like learning to sail and sailing around the world to keep each day as novel as possible.
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The stakes kinda sorta don't matter. Accumulation is an irrational instinct based on experiences we had when we were still worried about having enough food for the day as poo flinging apes. It's an instinct built over millions of years which a house or a substantial bank account do not satisfy because the instinct is too primitive to understand what those things are or that it is possible to have enough for any kind of extended period of time. You might as well tell that instinct that you've watched enough television because guess what, that instinct insists that you haven't watched enough television cause it doesn't understand what television is or even that there's a difference between television and food.
it doesn't matter in terms of propelling the instinct on

But it does matter in terms of the hell it can put you through

The world isn't an easy place to get along

I know there's always problems even when your bills are paid and you aren't worried about being on the street

But being on the street still sucks way worse
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That's literally my life and I don't understand how it's supposed to be more fulfilling. The only thing I can think of is doing something to make life more novel. Like learning to sail and sailing around the world to keep each day as novel as possible.
you should absolutely do that
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:42 PM   #790 (permalink)
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That's literally my life and I don't understand how it's supposed to be more fulfilling. The only thing I can think of is doing something to make life more novel. Like learning to sail and sailing around the world to keep each day as novel as possible.
If sailing is what u want to do why dont u try and put urself in a position to achieve this goal?

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I’d rather numb out on Xanax than feel it. And the Soma is only going to get better.

Give me AC, Xanax, ambien, and my phone, and a private room - **** a purpose - **** real interaction - **** sunshine and exercise

I can ride it like that for years too

I wouldn’t have wanted to spent my youth like that but from 45 on sure

Read a couple chapters, listen to a record, watch a show, post some bull**** on here, eat cereal take a nap - it’s very much like what Huxley predicted
**** that. I'd rather torture myself and feel it all. This is probably a huge part of why we'll never see eye to eye on many things.
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