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Old 10-25-2017, 06:58 PM   #271 (permalink)
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Education will be free as soon as we abolish money.
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Old 10-25-2017, 06:58 PM   #272 (permalink)
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It will never work.
In disregard for all my nihilism, I actually disagree with this. People in general are pretty retarded when it comes to deciding how the actual world should work (f.ex. North Korea, the economy, Russia, etc) but when it comes to things within their actual lifesphere they can be surprisingly intelligent. And I think learning trades when it's free and right in their faces via public education could very well be one of those things. I'm not saying that your average person would revolutionize the auto industry, but I very much think they could grow up to be perfectly good mechanics who tried their ass off to be a mechanic. They just have to be given the chance via a public education system that isn't a garbage heap and now I see your issue. But I mean we can fix this ****, right?
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 10-25-2017, 07:03 PM   #273 (permalink)
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Clever answer. Go do it then. I guarantee you have no idea how hopeless it is.

[merit] I know what you’re talking about. They’re trying to teach kids how numbers work in a base 10 system. Like everything, they take a good idea, get too rigid with it, it gets all ****ing political, and the whole thing gets way out of hand. Everything is public school is complete bat****.
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Old 10-25-2017, 07:04 PM   #274 (permalink)
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I agree with Occult in theory though compulsory education is not ideal to say the least
Well then how would you teach kids? I mean if they'd never made school compulsory how many parents would actually make their kids go to school these days? It's kind of an assumed thing at this point that doesn't even need to force parents cause they've been forced so long that they don't even think about it. But I shudder to think what would have happened had parents never been forced to send their kids to school in the first place. Outlawing child labour and forcing them to go to school were kind of a turning point.
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Old 10-25-2017, 07:05 PM   #275 (permalink)
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In disregard for all my nihilism, I actually disagree with this. People in general are pretty retarded when it comes to deciding how the actual world should work (f.ex. North Korea, the economy, Russia, etc) but when it comes to things within their actual lifesphere they can be surprisingly intelligent. And I think learning trades when it's free and right in their faces via public education could very well be one of those things. I'm not saying that your average person would revolutionize the auto industry, but I very much think they could grow up to be perfectly good mechanics who tried their ass off to be a mechanic. They just have to be given the chance via a public education system that isn't a garbage heap and now I see your issue. But I mean we can fix this ****, right?
No. We can’t.
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Old 10-25-2017, 07:07 PM   #276 (permalink)
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No. We can’t.
I'm assuming we have different ideas of fixing this ****. I'm down with Finland, but I guess as a hardcore anarchist socialist you've got other ideas. Maybe express those before ****ting on everything else.
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Old 10-25-2017, 07:08 PM   #277 (permalink)
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Clever answer. Go do it then. I guarantee you have no idea how hopeless it is.
Are you a teacher?

For me, hopeless would mean that half or more of my students fail.
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Old 10-25-2017, 07:19 PM   #278 (permalink)
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again this is hypothetical

But any system that wanted any success in producing a smart populace would have to allow children the freedom to explore what they're naturally compelled to learn on a principle of critical thinking
To be perfectly honest if you gave them that option without a century of enforced education I imagine they'd all just go raise crops and work in factories to raise money for their families. The populace never made themselves smart in tens of thousands of years. The public education system didn't either, but it made a better attempt than anything else I'm aware of. It's not perfect, but at least it's put in our minds that children should learn ****.
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Old 10-25-2017, 07:30 PM   #279 (permalink)
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I'm assuming we have different ideas of fixing this ****. I'm down with Finland, but I guess as a hardcore anarchist socialist you've got other ideas. Maybe express those before ****ting on everything else.
I usually don’t usually reveal my **** on here but it really doesn’t matter anymore. I taught in Japan for ten years and in American public schools for another ten. There’s no workable solution for America. The schools are just going to keep getting ****tier and ****tier. There’s no solution. Or at least no pill we’re willing to swallow. Behind the scenes almost every teacher says the same thing. It’s ****ing pointless. This idea, that idea. The ugly truth is we’re being populated by the last people who should be having kids. I promise you, single mothers do not want their kids. They’re paychecks. The kids are just a ****ty job they hate. The kids know they’re hated because they’re neglected and treated like a burden.

Universal Basic Income. Don’t reproduce your worthless DNA to blackmail society into supporting you. We need to support them regardless and stigmatize people who have kids that shouldn’t. The government punish them; the public should.

**** these women with 5 kids from 5 different fathers and no means at all to support them. Not financially or emotionally. Then dump them off at “school”. Then people talk about why the schools are ****ed.

See for your ****ing selves
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Are you a teacher?

For me, hopeless would mean that half or more of my students fail.
You’re forced to pass them no matter what they do. It’s not half that should receive F’s it’s like 90%. They know they don’t have to do anything. Teachers who fail students get scrutinized and fired.
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