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**Marie Monday** · 06-08-2022, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Technically everything i say is as the character of myself when i was younger.... Even if its only a few seconds younger

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Originally Posted by adidasss

I think you're giving the man more credit than he deserves.

Why, what other way is there to interpret it? He describes the messy reaction of his past self to trans family members coming out, and he directly shows the messiness of it. That doesn't seem inappropriate to me.

adidasss · 06-08-2022, 02:26 AM

I guess you didn't read the article, the same story/point could have been made without misgendering and deadnaming. Not to mention dropping the f-bomb, for which he should have taken the advice at the end but decided not to.

**Marie Monday** · 06-08-2022, 05:10 AM

I skimmed it but I don't agree. I'm pretty sure he's not misgendering and deadnaming, he is depicting his past self doing so. And of course that's uncomfortable, but that's the point, that's what that kind of messy, inept process of learning tolerance is like. This way the point comes across more strongly than if he just described it in a less direct way I think

The Batlord · 06-08-2022, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

I guess you didn't read the article, the same story/point could have been made without misgendering and deadnaming. Not to mention dropping the f-bomb, for which he should have taken the advice at the end but decided not to.

Yeah it's supposed to have an effect on the listener. The listener is supposed to be smart enough to analyze that effect though.

Queen Boo · 06-09-2022, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Why Idiots Shoot Themselves in the Foot Cause They Don't Understand What Context Is

Context is dead, all text is literal now, Johnny Cash actually shot a man in Reno just to watch him die, Dead Kennedys actually killed children, Randy Newman actually hates short people, etc.

Plankton · 06-09-2022, 01:36 PM

I knew it! Murray Acton's **** really does stink.

Queen Boo · 06-09-2022, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I think you're just a liberal who cares more about civility politics that amount to bad word Puritanism rather than being concerned with real world cultural politics. I mean the far right is on the rise threatening democracies all around the world and using gay and trans people as scapegoats for supposed cultural degeneracy and if given half a chance will use that **** to "encourage" you all back in the closet but dimwits concern themselves with an artist spreading an actually good message because he uses bad words.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

I doubt anyone actually believes this is a serious issue, it's just frivolous think piece fodder.

adidasss · 06-09-2022, 09:25 PM

What, deadnaming and misgendering and using the f-word or the disagreement in that this was done "in character". Question, can any white person in music use the n-word "in character"?

The Batlord · 06-09-2022, 09:42 PM

Look I wouldn't expect an accountant to understand art.

Queen Boo · 06-09-2022, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

What, deadnaming and misgendering and using the f-word or the disagreement in that this was done "in character". Question, can any white person in music use the n-word "in character"?

Yes, Randy Newman did it with the song Rednecks, it's sung from the perspective of a southerner calling out liberal hypocrisy on racism.

But that was the 70s which was a very different time, it wouldn't fly today regardless of intent and Randy rarely performs it.

I can't say I agree with people who think context doesn't matter and it raises eyebrows from me when people say that but also have no problem with black people using the N word because by doing that they're accepting that context does indeed matter, they're just picking and choosing which contexts they think are acceptable and which they do not.

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adidasss Slavic gay sauce Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 7,945	What, deadnaming and misgendering and using the f-word or the disagreement in that this was done "in character". Question, can any white person in music use the n-word "in character"? __________________ “Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle. Last.fm