Originally Posted by WWWP

Sure you can, lizard brain.

Originally Posted by jwb

you don't even do it in practice

If gender was actually meaningless there would be no reason for trans.

Originally Posted by WWWP

I know, I alluded to that.
It's a topic of multitudes, there's no clear cut answer.

Originally Posted by WWWP

I know what you mean, it's like tuning in to a shared experience or insecurity or something. Seeing someone struggle with their identity doesn't always automatically mean TRANS or NB but there are definitely gut feelings like "I see you trying on these different costumes and masks, good for you, can't wait until you figure out which one is you" kind of thing.

With Elliot Page, he'd already been an outspoken queer figure, so I can understand why it doesn't take any stretch of the imagination for one to accept that he is genderqueer as well. It's just weird to say "it's not surprising" because who exactly IS surprised? Who has a stake in his identity to the point where this is surprising news? Is it surprising when someone comes out as gay? I don't think so, it just *is.* Like by saying you're not surprised are you trying to show that you're that much more accepting of it? Or that you somehow predicted it? Or that your thumb weighs so heavily on the pulse of queer culture that you have some kind of extra sense that makes you privy to this information? Just a weird thing to say imo.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

You sound like Buffy after they dragged her back from Heaven.

Originally Posted by WWWP

I want to open a school for MB's lost boys and teach them basic coping skills and build up their self esteem and strengthen their emotional intelligence and teach them about vegetables and institutionalized racism and sexism and then they'll all build a bronze statue of me in my honor and my bronzed titties will forever be groped by the grubby paws of you ****ing whiny pathetic white boys.

Originally Posted by WWWP

Joe Rogan's personality and career is entirely based on his physique and maintenance of his masculinity. It does not have the same "stretch of the imagination" quality as the example I gave in Elliott.

Boo, bad form.

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

Whether it's weird depends on the reason. In my case it simply means that I'm surprised they had these issues similar to mine, because I didn't pick up on it. I don't think that's weird at all.
Well, with a celebrity it is a bit weird, of course. But still it can matter all the world whether a celebrity comes out as gay, it's not always something that just *is*. People need representation and role models; I cannot begin to explain what seeing Jodie Foster as a closeted teen meant to me.

Originally Posted by WWWP

That's a good point, representation is so important. The element of having a public reputation and career dependent upon it as such does give it a certain weight - by saying it just *is* I don't mean to say it isn't important.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

You sound like Buffy after they dragged her back from Heaven.

Originally Posted by WWWP

I want to open a school for MB's lost boys and teach them basic coping skills and build up their self esteem and strengthen their emotional intelligence and teach them about vegetables and institutionalized racism and sexism and then they'll all build a bronze statue of me in my honor and my bronzed titties will forever be groped by the grubby paws of you ****ing whiny pathetic white boys.

Originally Posted by jwb

you don't even do it in practice

If gender was actually meaningless there would be no reason for trans.

Originally Posted by Neward Thelman

"SMOKE CRACK MUDA****KKA"

I'll check that dictionary, but in the meantime I'm impressed - as is everyone else in the world - by your eloquence, obvious accomplishments and success, and the evidence of your blazingly high intelligence.

Originally Posted by Frownland

He just doesn't have a mind so closed that it rivals Blockbuster.

Originally Posted by elphenor

I own the mail