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Scarlett O'Hara

06-18-2022 04:46 PM

After what happened at the pride parade (mentioned in previous posts), I spoke to my mom about it and said that even living in New Zealand I fear going out holding hands with a girlfriend as there are so problematic people out there who have literally beaten couples (regardless of their gender) over it.

On another note, I am genderfluid and go by she/her/they. I present as very feminine but want people to take my genderfluidness seriously. I explain my pronouns but it goes over people's heads. Anyone got any advice regarding this?

The Batlord

06-18-2022 05:08 PM

Tbh I think trans men and women who... "commit" to their "chosen" gender are just going to get more traction at least with non-psychos for the same reason bisexuals aren't taken as seriously as straight up homosexuals. Providing a clear distinction helps to crystallize in people's minds an alternative. So basically not being taken as seriously is probably just going to happen.

Not really advice just a perspective.

Ayn Marx

06-18-2022 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Celladorina (Post 2207665)

Sorry to be of little help other than to suggest many of those you’d like to comprehend your gender fluidity would require years of psychotherapy to even begin to understand. The trick is to learn who you can be open with and who the mere act of being yourself would place you in danger.

As to the bashers many psychotherapists who’ve had ‘queer bashers’ referred to them by the courts learn the majority are repressing their own ambiguous sexual identity.

jadis

06-18-2022 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2207611)

We sure weren’t afraid of sex but police entrapment and gay bashing were a constant threat. Still are in many parts of the world.

Btw Melbourne is today known as one of the most liberal cities in the world but I wonder if that's a relatively new thing, say of the past couple of decades? Did it have a reputation as bohemian and open-minded in the 1980-90s?

Marie Monday

06-18-2022 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Celladorina (Post 2207665)

Oh ok! I don't really have advice unfortunately. I agree with what Charles says, people like to think in stupid boxes. And also related to what Ayn Marx says, people don't like these ideas of fluidity because acknowledging that may lead to scary introspection. At least you spread awareness

Ayn Marx

06-18-2022 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jadis (Post 2207674)

Bohemia was alive and well in Melbourne long before the general population accepted it. I have fond memories of Saturday night/Sunday mornings in the 1970s attending The Supper Club in Toorak Rd, Sth Yarra, where from midnight European & ’Art’ movies were shown. Horrible coffee, nasty cheese and sometimes seriously horrible wine was provided to an audience made up of everything from screaming queens, bikies, artists, Dy*es, academics, poets etc, all groups of ‘outsiders’ who sadly today hardly ever mix.
Down the road was The Devil’s Inn catering to the gay crowd, and our followers, where horrible coffee was also served along with very nasty toasted (read burnt) raisin bread . The music was loud with hysterical queens dancing on tables. At closing time we'd often invite attendees home to our flat nearby where the coffee was better and the sex was - - - -well, I’ll leave that to your foetid imaginations.

Why the hell does the idiot software here forbid us typing ‘dyk*s’ ?

Guybrush

06-18-2022 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2207685)

Why the hell does the idiot software here forbid us typing ‘dyk*s’ ?

I tried to write the name of Steely Dan's frontman yesterday and it came out as Donald ***en. That one surprised me.

Melbourne in the 70s sounds like fun.

Ayn Marx

06-19-2022 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2207698)

I tried to write the name of Steely Dan's frontman yesterday and it came out as Donald ***en. That one surprised me.

Melbourne in the 70s sounds like fun.

It was fun if you knew how to make it and where to look for it. For the vast majority is was mindless, suburban hell. We even had a nasty Europeans only immigration policy known as ’The White Australia’ policy.

Ayn Marx

06-19-2022 01:49 AM

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I get some strange emails with strange links but this one came from I don’t know who, listed as not having a return address. Maybe it came from one of those naughty little pixies on Music Banter’s rock section, or maybe from Queer Corner ?

https://rocknheavy.net/who-has-the-b...k-6217ec3e5e27

Anyhow, here’s my favourite. He could have parked his boots under my bed any day even if, as I suspect, that thing was airbrushed in. .

Ayn Marx

06-19-2022 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2207698)

I tried to write the name of Steely Dan's frontman yesterday and it came out as Donald ***en. That one surprised me.

Melbourne in the 70s sounds like fun.

Often wonder if internet forum moderaters make up their own list of ’naughty words’ or do they buy in a P.P.P.L. (Pre Packaged Puritan List) ?

Ayn Marx

06-19-2022 05:36 PM

Not sure what this one’s about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ibj87fwRaM

but it appears to have been filmed in part at the same location as

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t07hF_GXds

Scarlett O'Hara

06-19-2022 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2207668)

Thanks, I actually appreciate the honest perspective. It's not the end of the world if people don't understand it.

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2207672)

That's true, as they think of us as having body dysphoria so it would take a long time for them to understand what gender fluidity is. I certainly believe the 'anti gay' rhetoric is absolutely projecting their own sexual desires.

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2207678)

As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink lol.

Ayn Marx

06-19-2022 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Celladorina (Post 2207775)

As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink lol.

Indeed, but if you get the horse drunk enough they can pretend they didn’t know what they were doing.

Ayn Marx

06-19-2022 11:50 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-g...es_in_Chechnya

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Originally Posted by Celladorina (Post 2207775)

Thanks, I actually appreciate the honest perspective. It's not the end of the world if people don't understand it.

It can easily become the end of your world if you get sprung in a fundamentalist muslim country, or Russia or China and many parts of Africa.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...orst-countries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-g...es_in_Chechnya

Ayn Marx

06-22-2022 04:51 PM

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On the other hand - - - -

https://historycollection.com/these-...homosexuality/

All the Periods in History When Homosexuality Was Celebrated & Embraced” David Sharp, Ranker. n.d.

“If you say being gay is not African, you don’t know your history” Bisi Alimi, The Guardian. September 2015.

“The idea that African homosexuality was a colonial import is a myth” Bernardine Evaristo, The Guardian. March 2014.

“Homosexuality in ancient Rome” Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. November 2018.

“Women’s Legal Rights in Ancient Egypt” Janet H. Johnson, Fathom Archive. 2002.

“Ancient Egyptian Sexuality: Life in Ancient Egypt” Caroline Seawright, Tour Egypt. August 2013.

“China’s Misunderstood History of Gay Tolerance” Yuxin Zhang, The Diplomat. June 2015.

“Homosexuality in Japan” Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. November 2018.

“LGBT history in Uganda” Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. June 2018.

“Mwanga II of Buganda” Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. March 2018.

“Zande” Eva Gillies, UCLA. n.d.

“Imbangala” Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. January 2018.

The Batlord

06-22-2022 05:11 PM

I believe homosexuality was derided by many as Greek degeneracy infiltrating Roman society. I don't know how it was perceived throughout all 1000 years of the Republic and Empire but Rome was at least more conservative and prudish than it gets credit for.

jwb	06-22-2022 05:47 PM

This video says Romans only thought it was gay to bottom lol. The whole country was running on prison rules.

Ayn Marx

06-22-2022 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2208143)

This video says Romans only thought it was gay to bottom lol. The whole country was running on prison rules.

One of the mysteries of the male heterosexual so called mind is how, given the right circumstances, they can efficiently produce an erection at the sight of another male’s rear.
Another mystery is how this branch of our species are so frequently ignorant of the erotic potential of their own prostate glands.
Add to this the rigidly repressed history of male/male sexuality during wartime and we have more contradictions than drag queens often taking an active role.

We are indeed a very strange species.

Guybrush

06-23-2022 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2208189)

I realize you may not actually think it's a mystery and it's just interesting writing/hyperbole, but I've anyways opted to take your statement at face value and reply accordingly.

So to me, what you describe about enticing same-sex rears is not a mystery. We're social mammals and there's nothing in our biology that says males shouldn't have sex with other males, like homosexuality in so many other social mammals (like the famous giraffes where most of a male's sexual encounters are homosexual in nature). From a biology point of view, it seems reasonable to think that sexual relations between men would be promoted in many situations because it could strengthen bonds, promote cooperation (our specialty) and generally help satisfy various needs. I actually get the impression that males are more likely to be sexually compatible with other males (in terms of wants/desires, etc) than with women. As you point out, there's even a prostate gland that enjoys attention. In my opinion - in the absence of any culture/conditioning that says otherwise, the thought or act of homosexual activity should be expected to, by far, potentially turn most men on.

Heterosexuality is just a human concept. It's not written in our DNA and when fantasy meets reality, parts of fantasy can melt away. Our sexuality, if you look at sexuality under intense scrutiny, doesn't actually fit into these neat categories. Generally speaking for heterosexuals, there are potential situations where they'd enjoy homosexual activities or possibly even romantic relationships with other same-sex individuals. Maybe, if society was different, they would.

If I'm to use society's general descriptors for myself, then I am a heterosexual man. I've never been in love with another man and 99% of my fantasies are about women. However, there are a very few men I've found attractive and I assume part of those 99% can be explained by society's conditioning. I have actually had a couple of homosexual encounters that were enjoyable for me. If I was free to do so, I wouldn't mind exploring that more with the right partner.

I don't think that's the norm, so what might set me apart from perhaps most other heterosexual guys is I think of sexuality as very rough descriptors and don't internalize it into my own identity. I am not homophobic, am fairly liberal and want to have enjoyable experiences. So I don't think I'm different in a fundamental way from most heterosexual guys, I just have a different way of thinking about it.

What I think is most mysterious or interesting is why we create memes (as in moral codes, religious commands, beliefs) that control various aspects of our lives in seemingly detrimental ways, especially when it comes to sexuality. I have some inklings and one is that things that control our most basic urges seem powerful and feel important to us, like celibacy or perhaps fasting. These memes compete against other memes (gay is wrong / gay is okay are general competing memes), but for some reason the bad ones sometimes get ahead in competition with more tolerant ideas. I find that to be a very fascinating topic in general.

Ayn Marx

06-23-2022 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2208192)

I don't think it's that much of a mystery. We're social mammals and there's nothing in our biology that says males shouldn't have sex with other males, like homosexuality in so many other social mammals (like the famous giraffes where most of a male's sexual encounters are homosexual in nature). From a biology point of view, it seems reasonable to think that sexual relations between men would be promoted in many situations because it could strengthen bonds, promote cooperation (our specialty) and generally help satisfy various needs. I actually get the impression that males are more likely to be sexually compatible with other males (in terms of wants/desires, etc) than with women. As you point out, there's even a prostate gland that enjoys attention.

Heterosexuality is just a human concept. It's not written in our DNA. When fantasy meets reality, parts of fantasy can melt away. Our sexuality, if you look at it under intense scrutiny, doesn't actually fit into these neat categories. Generally speaking for heterosexuals, there are potential situations where they'd enjoy homosexual activities or possibly even romantic relationships with other same-sex individuals. Maybe, if society was different, they would.

If I'm to use society's general descriptors for myself, then I am a heterosexual man. I've never been in love with other men and 99% of my fantasies are about women. However, there are a very few men I've found attractive and I assume part of those 99% can be explained by society's conditioning. I have actually had a couple of homosexual encounters that were enjoyable for me. If I was free to do so, I wouldn't mind exploring that more with the right partner.

I don't think that's the norm, so what might set me apart from perhaps most other heterosexual guys is I think of sexuality as very rough descriptors and don't internalize it into my own identity. I am not homophobic, am fairly liberal and want to have enjoyable experiences. So I don't think I'm different in a fundamental way from most heterosexual guys, I just have a different way of thinking about it.

What I think is most mysterious or interesting is why we create memes (as in moral codes, religious commands, beliefs) that control various aspects of our lives in a seemingly detrimental way, especially when it comes to sexuality. I have an inkling - things that control our most basic urges seem powerful and feel important to us, like celibacy or perhaps fasting. These memes compete against other memes (gay is wrong / gay is okay are competing ideas), but for some reason the bad ones sometimes get ahead in competition with other more tolerant ideas. I find that to be a very fascinating topic in general.

Well put but the question remains why so many males are not only homophobic but actually terrified by the mere idea. I have one theory and it’s a wild jump. Men I’ve known more often than not regard the female of our species as inferior. Therefore to even contemplate something like taking the so called passive role in male/male sex is to ‘lower’ yourself to the level of a chic/sheila/bird/. I’m only guessing here.
Not that I’ve found it a problem over the decades having found more than enough males willing to dance the bedroom tango.
I even had a relationship for two years with another man and two women. Hard to explain other than suggesting our bedroom tango was an ‘eight way’. Think about it.

Guybrush

06-23-2022 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2208195)

Well put but the question remains why so many males are not only homophobic but actually terrified by the mere idea. I have one theory and it’s a wild jump. Men I’ve known more often than not regard the female of our species as inferior. Therefore to even contemplate something like taking the so called passive role in male/male sex is to ‘lower’ yourself to the level of a chic/sheila/bird/. I’m only guessing here.

Not that I’ve found it a problem over the decades having found more than enough males willing to dance the bedroom tango.
I even had a relationship for two years with another man and two women. Hard to explain other than suggesting our bedroom tango was an ‘eight way’. Think about it.

It's complex for sure and so sad that we create all these mind prisons for ourselves. Misogyny could play a part, I'm sure.

I hope you'll pardon such a personal question, but have you had many sexual encounters with men who consider themselves heterosexual?

Ayn Marx

06-23-2022 03:57 AM

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More often than not I’ve avoided them. Especially when I knew the ‘I was too drunk to know what I was doing’ game was about to be indulged in. Maybe my experience however was soured at an early age by a man who played the active role with me only to exclaim after the act “Now I must get me a real woman” Told him to f*ck off in no uncertain terms.

I have a very vivid memory decades after the event of a man I hitched a ride home with. I had no intention of seducing him but somehow I ended up being his first male/male encounter. Not before or since have I experienced so an intense an episode. I’ll spare you the details but simply put somehow every part of our anatomy became as sensitive as the usual focus of male erotic experience. He returned interstate in the morning with me thinking I’d never see him again. Turned up at my door some years later with his fiancé suggesting a three way encounter. Now that’s one man I’d never want to share (unusual for me) so as kindly as I could I sent them away. SIGH ! WILT! SWOON !

One fairly consistent aspect of straight men’s behavior is if you actually get them into bed they more often than not will be the one who ‘bites the pillow’. An experience I had with four AFL footballers (VFL in those days). And no, don’t ask for names.
For those of you not familiar with Australian Rules football AFL stands for Australian Football League & VFL for Victorian Football League.

Guybrush

06-23-2022 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2208198)

One fairly consistent aspect of straight men’s behavior is if you actually get them into bed they more often than not will be the one who ‘bites the pillow’.

Sure, this makes complete sense to me :laughing: What I'm most curious about when it comes to sex with someone with a ding-dong is of course the sort of experiences that I can't have with someone equipped with a vajay, or at least not as easily.

Thanks for your candidness!

Ayn Marx

06-23-2022 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2208211)

Thanks for your candidness!

Honey, I’ve been sparing you most of the sordid details.

adidasss

06-23-2022 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2208198)

Now that’s one man I’d never want to share (unusual for me) ...

I find this quite fascinating. I don't know what it is, nature or social conditioning, that makes (most of?) us so possessive of our partners. The reason my partner and I are monogamous is because neither of us likes the idea of sharing the other.

There do seem to be a lot more open relationships among gay people but I'm not really sure how people make that work. I kind of look at sex as an important glue in a relationship. Opening it up would (maybe, I have no personal experience in this) dilute the tension and glue that helps smooth out some of the usual problems when two people spend a lot of time together. In my inexperienced mind at least. If you have sex with other people, aren't you just going into the territory of friendship with benefits? Or does the love and appreciation of the other person simply go (sufficiently) beyond the physical to fix any potential hang-ups (jealousy, feeling of inadequacy etc)?

Guybrush

06-23-2022 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2208212)

Honey, I’ve been sparing you most of the sordid details.

Don't spare me for my sake. You may very well be more sordid than me, but I don't scare easily. I've been in a foursome and a few threesomes and like it a lot. From my experience so far, 2 guys 1 girl has been my favorite combination. That sort of sex life isn't quite compatible with my romantic relationship today and so is a thing of the past (sadly), but at least I'm no prude.

If I was single and they'd have me, I'd love to date hot couples :laughing:

Scarlett O'Hara

06-23-2022 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Celladorina (Post 2208260)

What a perfect take on it! Although, making my colleagues drunk so they get it might not go well in a local government workplace.

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2207791)

It can easily become the end of your world if you get sprung in a fundamentalist muslim country, or Russia or China and many parts of Africa.

It's the kind of media that doesn't get shown mainstream, which I wish it would be. I truly believe that that sexuality is a spectrum and humans are naturally tailored towards all times of sexual interactions.

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Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2208192)

I believe that we are in a time period where the society of our current day is going to implode on itself. The religious dogma that defines how a man should be with a woman only, is being disintegrated along with capitalism and the state of the planet. What if we are going to evolve into a higher state of consciousness and create a new way of being human.

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I have a very vivid memory decades after the event of a man I hitched a ride home with. I had no intention of seducing him but somehow I ended up being his first male/male encounter. Not before or since have I experienced so an intense an episode. I’ll spare you the details but simply put somehow every part of our anatomy became as sensitive as the usual focus of male erotic experience. He returned interstate in the morning with me thinking I’d never see him again. Turned up at my door some years later with his fiancé suggesting a three way encounter. Now that’s one man I’d never want to share (unusual for me) so as kindly as I could I sent them away. SIGH ! WILT! SWOON !

So I am pansexual, I will literally have sex with/date anyone of any 'gender'. Is it weird that I am really turned on right now after reading about your experience? The idea of two men, slowly and sensually coming together and having sex makes me feel horny as. However, I don't mean to disrespect or fetishize your experience, I am thinking about it generally.

Ayn Marx

06-24-2022 04:04 AM

Are these guys serious or just sending us all up ?
Either way it’s musically dull as dishwater.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5YigWrQhqg

Ayn Marx

06-24-2022 04:07 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cZwFELyOCo

Ayn Marx

06-24-2022 04:16 AM

It aint country but - - - -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN56zvQTeWk

Ayn Marx

06-24-2022 04:18 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QJmT2w1Pmw

Ayn Marx

06-24-2022 04:32 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibOjJHC04y0

Ayn Marx

06-24-2022 04:37 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtDt9D_8CBU

Ayn Marx

06-24-2022 04:47 AM

Now now girls, do behave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWcv...uWIxEe&index=1

adidasss

06-24-2022 01:44 PM

A fun little movie reimagining Pride and Prejudice in modern times and with an all gay (and very diverse) cast. It's well produced and surprisingly queer (I thought it was gonna pander more to mainstream tastes to become some kind of a cross-over hit but I guess being interesting to gay audiences is sufficient these days to secure some serious funding). I'm putting it here and not in the movie thread because I really don't think many non-gay people would be interested in seeing it.

Also, it was nice to hear Perfume genius on the soundtrack.

Ayn Marx

06-24-2022 08:28 PM

Is this a girl/girl love song? I can’t figure it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saKLK4cGdig

Hey, hey, hey
I got a condo in Manhattan
Baby girl, what's hatnin'?
You and your ass invited
So gon' and get to clappin'
Go pop it for a player
Pop, pop it for me
Turn around and drop it for a player
Drop, drop it for me
I'll rent a beach house in Miami
Wake up with no jammies (Nope)
Lobster tail for dinner
Julio serve that scampi (Julio!)
You got it if you want it
Got, got it if you want it
Said you got it if you want it
Take my wallet if you want it now
Jump in the Cadillac, girl, let's put some miles on it
Anything you want, just to put a smile on it
You deserve it baby, you deserve it all
And I'm gonna give it to you
Gold jewelry shining so bright
Strawberry champagne on ice
Lucky for you, that's what I like, that's what I like
Lucky for you, that's what I like, that's what I like
Sex by the fire at night
Silk sheets and diamonds all white
Lucky for you, that's what I like, that's what I like
Lucky for you, that's what I like, that's what I like
I'm talkin' trips to Puerto Rico
Say the word and we go
You can be my freaka
Girl, I'll be a fleeko, mamacita
I will never make a promise that I can't keep
I promise that your smile ain't gon' never leave
Shopping sprees in Paris
Everything 24 karats
Take a look in that mirror
Now tell me who's the fairest
Is it you? (is it you?) Is it me? (is it me?)
Say it's us (say it's us) and I'll agree, baby
Jump in the Cadillac, girl, let's put some miles on it
Anything you want, just to put a smile on it
You deserve it baby, you deserve it all
And I'm gonna give it to you
Gold jewelry shining so bright
Strawberry champagne on ice
Lucky for you, that's what I like, that's what I like
Lucky for you, that's what I like, that's what I like
Sex by the fire at night
Silk sheets and diamonds all white
Lucky for you, that's what I like, that's what I like
Lucky for you, that's what I like, that's what I like
If you say you want a good time
Well here I am baby, here I am baby
Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me
Tell me what's on your mind (what's on your mind)
If you want it, girl come and get it
All this is here for you
Tell me, baby, tell me, tell me, baby
What you tryna do
Gold jewelry shining so bright
Strawberry champagne on ice
Lucky for you, that's what I like, that's what I like
Lucky for you, that's what I like, that's what I like
Sex by the fire at night (Sex by the fire at night)
Silk sheets and diamonds all white
Lucky for you, that's what I like, that's what I like
Lucky for you, that's what I like, that's what I like

Ayn Marx

06-24-2022 08:37 PM

Many of these shots are obviously of brothers, not gay lovers. Very annoying unless whoever collected them knows something about gay incest in that era we don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo1sUKlw3qE

Ayn Marx

06-24-2022 11:38 PM

The music’s more than a bit treacle coated but - - -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyNSGff-Nh4

GD	06-25-2022 12:35 PM

Oslo shooting: Norway attack being treated as Islamist terrorism, police say - BBC

This has been getting to me today. In short summary two people were killed tonight and dozens of others injured in what is assumed to be a terror attack/hate crime targeting a gay club in Oslo. Given slightly different circumstances this could have hit me or somebody I know.
Wherever you are in the world, stay safe out there y'all. The world can be a ****ing cruel place

adidasss

06-25-2022 01:33 PM

I didn't know we had two Norwegians on the boards.

Yes, quite sad and scary. A stark reminder that even in the developed world, there are still plenty of people who want to harm others who are different than them.

Btw, Norway is starting to build up a surprising number of these gun violence incidents, for Europe.

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