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grindy 07-06-2022 08:01 AM

I wasn't aware of this "crisis" but really enjoyed this video nonetheless.


jwb 07-06-2022 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2209582)
Two gay friends and their two sons returned to Australia today after six years in Hong Kong. Their boys are now 4 and 8 so I saw some changes. The youngest startled me with a joke. "A man is sitting at the doctor's office. The doctor says, "I have some bad news. I'm afraid you're going to have to stop masturbating." "I don't understand, doc," the patient says. "Why?" "Because," the doctor says. "I'm trying to examine you."

My generation knew nothing about sex at that age. How things have changed.
Now before any of you start in on ‘What do you expect with gay parents’, last year two straight friends visited with the three brats. 5.6 & 8 years old. At the front door the six year old asked me “You got any computer games’? When I answered in the negative the oldest asked “You got any porn we can watch”. Judging from mum & dad’s lack of reaction this wasn’t something unusual.

when I was growing up I experimented with my neighbor. We were both like 5 years old. It wasn't overtly sexual it was more like I show you my underwear you show me yours... And we kept upping the ante until he came up with putting our dicks in each other's mouths lol.

In retrospect I think he was molested by his dad or something because I dunno... Just a vibe thing plus this one time I went over there house and I had this hot wheels car I had got from the grocery store and his dad was like "wow what a cool car!" Then my friend was like " I have one of those too..." And his dad was like "yeah but this one's NEW." It took me many years to figure out he might not have been referring to the car.

Later on I also had another friend who's younger siblings were hypersexual at a young age and I know for a fact their parents were molesting them. So yeah those kids who watch porn with their parents.... There's at least a decent chance they're being molested.

Ayn Marx 07-06-2022 05:22 PM

I escaped anything like molestation of the physical kind but was thoroughly traumatised witnessing what went on behind the scenes in the Cathedral were I was a pipe organ student. Invited to a weekend away at the seaside by a group of priests I was offered the ‘privilege’ of being the naked offering on their domestic black mass alter. I fled.
All this had a profoundly negative effect on my view of religion but not male/male sexuality. When I hit 14 I knew I was attracted to males of my age and indulged. It was only very good luck that saved me from potential disaster when I soon discovered a strong attraction to older males.

Apologies to those of you who’ve read me on this subject previously.

Ayn Marx 07-06-2022 05:27 PM

I often wonder why hetro males of a certain kind get their knickers in a knot over things like this. I suspect they’re struggling to pretend it doesn’t turn them on. I also wonder how much they know about the history of English theatre where for centuries boys played the role of females in more than just Shakespeare.

https://www.starobserver.com.au/news...-school/214312

Putting this in an historic (hysteric?) context :- https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...nd-gay/513812/

jwb 07-06-2022 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2209652)
I escaped anything like molestation of the physical kind but was thoroughly traumatised witnessing what went on behind the scenes in the Cathedral were I was a pipe organ student. Invited to a weekend away at the seaside by a group of priests I was offered the ‘privilege’ of being the naked offering on their domestic black mass alter. I fled.
All this had a profoundly negative effect on my view of religion but not male/male sexuality. When I hit 14 I knew I was attracted to males of my age and indulged. It was only very good luck that saved me from potential disaster when I soon discovered a strong attraction to older males.

Apologies to those of you who’ve read me on this subject previously.

Damn that black mass story is creepy af.

I also avoided being molested myself but had a very close call. Basically some old dude lured me into a stairwell and then chickened out or something. The full story is on my blog.

But yeah I've known people who it happened to like my friends siblings. His younger brother and sister. We all knew their dad beat the mom and the kids but my friend also told me his siblings were sexually abused. Which explained their overtly sexual behavior at such a young age.

Also my other friends younger brother. We knew his family for years and were briefly living with them in this ****ty duplex after my parents split... And this Mexican day labor looking dude molested my friends 4 year old brother one day in broad daylight. Just pulled his pants down and started fondling him. My friend grabbed a broomstick and beat him over the head with it till he ****ed off.

The Batlord 07-07-2022 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2209652)
I escaped anything like molestation of the physical kind but was thoroughly traumatised witnessing what went on behind the scenes in the Cathedral were I was a pipe organ student. Invited to a weekend away at the seaside by a group of priests I was offered the ‘privilege’ of being the naked offering on their domestic black mass alter. I fled.
All this had a profoundly negative effect on my view of religion but not male/male sexuality. When I hit 14 I knew I was attracted to males of my age and indulged. It was only very good luck that saved me from potential disaster when I soon discovered a strong attraction to older males.

Apologies to those of you who’ve read me on this subject previously.

Black Mass huh? Surprised it wasn't a reference to a big black dick you took marching with MLK.

Queen Boo 07-07-2022 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2209653)
I often wonder why hetro males of a certain kind get their knickers in a knot over things like this. I suspect they’re struggling to pretend it doesn’t turn them on. I also wonder how much they know about the history of English theatre where for centuries boys played the role of females in more than just Shakespeare.

https://www.starobserver.com.au/news...-school/214312

The same guys calling gay and trans people groomers on Twitter say sh*t like "I wish I had this teacher as a kid" in response to stories about female teachers raping their students and "Start the clock" when commenting on pictures of underage girls.

So to answer your question, projection, it's always been projection.

ribbons 07-07-2022 12:23 PM

I've always liked designer Tom Ford as a person and followed his interviews. I had no idea that Tom's husband, Richard Buckley, had passed away. So sad to learn of this - I greatly admired their relationship.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLSZy0ULHtA

jwb 07-07-2022 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Queen Boo (Post 2209700)
The same guys calling gay and trans people groomers on Twitter say sh*t like "I wish I had this teacher as a kid" in response to stories about female teachers raping their students and "Start the clock" when commenting on pictures of underage girls.

So to answer your question, projection, it's always been projection.

that's more because we don't take female predators seriously. If it's a male teacher with a female student people will lose their ****.

jwb 07-07-2022 01:54 PM

Intuitively I feel the same way those men feel though.... Even if it's wrong. How are you supposed to sit here and feel bad for the kid when you are secretly jealous?

Also notice it's only the hot teachers who seem to get busted... Probably because the hotter the perp is the harder it is for the "victim" to keep their mouth shut.

Even if the gender roles are swapped and it's a hot gay teacher and a student... Sorry but that doesn't feel like as much of an accomplishment. Gay men are the most down to **** breed of people I've ever encountered by far.

Ayn Marx 07-07-2022 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2209783)

Also notice it's only the hot teachers who seem to get busted... Probably because the hotter the perp is the harder it is for the "victim" to keep their mouth shut.

That’s a point I hadn’t considered. I suspect in lots of cases it’s true. There’s an aspect of the last few decades exposing the sexual exploitation of children. Some calculating brats have learnt to make false accusations against teachers unless they are given better grades. A recent case here was thrown out of court when the school presented security surveillance videos covering the claimed assaults.
There’s another creepy side to all this. Psychiatrists tell us same sex exploration/experimentation is common with young males who in later years discover they’re not into it. They make themselves feel better by pretending they were forced into such scenarios. The problem we now have with all this is it’s becoming more difficult to catch the real offenders. One of the best solutions we have is providing the young with realistic, but not too scary, sex education at an earlier age than is now common in many ‘christian’ countries. As to christians and their place in all this, don’t get me started ! And before anyone jumps on me for that comment islam and other faiths are equally guilty.


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Even if the gender roles are swapped and it's a hot gay teacher and a student... Sorry but that doesn't feel like as much of an accomplishment. Gay men are the most down to **** breed of people I've ever encountered by far.
Can’t help wondering if you’re speaking from experience. Things changed somewhat when AIDS hit the scene. Many who previously were ( there’s no other word) sluts toned down their activities. With the false security AIDS ‘cures' have provided defences are down again.

Ayn Marx 07-07-2022 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2209783)
Gay men are the most down to **** breed of people I've ever encountered by far.

Speaking from personal experience ? ? ?

jwb 07-07-2022 05:25 PM

Yeah I'm speaking from my own experience.

Ayn Marx 07-07-2022 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ribbons (Post 2209773)
I've always liked designer Tom Ford as a person and followed his interviews. I had no idea that Tom's husband, Richard Buckley, had passed away. So sad to learn of this - I greatly admired their relationship.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLSZy0ULHtA

Thanks for posting that. Not even a mention in the gay media here but this appeared on the ABC site.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-...dies/100481386

ribbons 07-07-2022 07:24 PM

Thank you for that article. I didn't know that Stella McCartney is their son's godmother. Both men truly class acts with deep love and respect for each other. Couple goals!

Queen Boo 07-07-2022 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2209781)
that's more because we don't take female predators seriously. If it's a male teacher with a female student people will lose their ****.

They also don't care about predators if they have the right letter next to their name on the ballot box.

Guybrush 07-08-2022 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2209781)
that's more because we don't take female predators seriously. If it's a male teacher with a female student people will lose their ****.

Some of it certainly has to do with a grown man putting his member inside the body of a child which would most likely cause both more physical and emotional pain and suffering. Generally speaking, the act of having sex with a grown ass woman is more likely to be physically pleasurable to young boys, though that is certainly not a guarantee it will be. I'm not saying they necessarily like it when granny sits on their face, but as a general jist of why we think differently about male and female predators, that probably has something to do with it.

Disclaimer for clarity: ofc it's all wrong. Don't bang the children.

Ayn Marx 07-08-2022 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2209809)
Some of it certainly has to do with a grown man putting his member inside the body of a child which would most likely cause both more physical and emotional pain and suffering. Generally speaking, the act of having sex with a grown ass woman is more likely to be physically pleasurable to young boys, though that is certainly not a guarantee it will be. I'm not saying they necessarily like it when granny sits on their face, but as a general jist of why we think differently about male and female predators, that probably has something to do with it.

Disclaimer for clarity: ofc it's all wrong. Don't bang the children.

There’s some truth in what you say but for me the central issue is consent. Can, for instance, a ten year old, male or female, consent to having sex with an adult of either sex fully knowing what they’re getting themselves involved in?

My perspective is one people have argued with but I can’t get my head around the idea a young pre-pubescent child being regarded as a sexual being. Sensual maybe but sexual? So, even though my sex life started at 14 I just can’t agree with the idea of an adult seducing someone pre-pubescent. There’s another issue here seldom discussed. Today, young girls are entering pubescence far earlier than ever before due to chemicals polluting our environment triggering precocious development.

Guybrush 07-08-2022 07:15 AM

No, children can not consent. Well, they technically can by saying "yes, let's bang", but the principle that any consent a child gives is invalid is something I feel is very important. Also, they can't vote and they're full of shit.

In theory, something like a mutually beneficial / pleasurable sexual relationship could exist between adult and child (yuck). But the capacity for the child to understand the extent of what they're getting into is likely not great and the opportunity for the adult to take advantage / exploit / cause suffering is far too great. Children are vulnerable and need to be protected.

I'm pretty much a utilitarian, but I feel like the best and simplest way to deal with the issue is ofc to make it illegal. Not only does that help us avoid bad situations, but I think the general principles that it fosters in the minds and hearts of people will help reduce suffering in the world, even if it smothers the rare possibility of a mutually beneficial/functioning adult/child sexual relationship.

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By the way, I read Pamela Des Barres' autobiography I'm With The Band about the groupie scene around LA in the 60s/early 70s and.. man does it seem like there was a lot of pedophilia going on. Hey, teacher. Leave 'em dicks alone!

jwb 07-08-2022 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2209809)
Some of it certainly has to do with a grown man putting his member inside the body of a child which would most likely cause both more physical and emotional pain and suffering. Generally speaking, the act of having sex with a grown ass woman is more likely to be physically pleasurable to young boys, though that is certainly not a guarantee it will be. I'm not saying they necessarily like it when granny sits on their face, but as a general jist of why we think differently about male and female predators, that probably has something to do with it.

Disclaimer for clarity: ofc it's all wrong. Don't bang the children.

that might be a factor in some cases but it's not THE factor. For example, my friend used to blow his mom's bf when he was like 12. The dude was 40 something. There's no penetration there but I think it will be met generally with a similar kind of disgust. If it was some milf letting a young boy eat her out very few of us would feel bad for the boy...

jwb 07-08-2022 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2209812)
There’s some truth in what you say but for me the central issue is consent. Can, for instance, a ten year old, male or female, consent to having sex with an adult of either sex fully knowing what they’re getting themselves involved in?

My perspective is one people have argued with but I can’t get my head around the idea a young pre-pubescent child being regarded as a sexual being. Sensual maybe but sexual? So, even though my sex life started at 14 I just can’t agree with the idea of an adult seducing someone pre-pubescent. There’s another issue here seldom discussed. Today, young girls are entering pubescence far earlier than ever before due to chemicals polluting our environment triggering precocious development.

I don't actually believe that the way we even refer to consent in these cases has anything to do with desire to have sex, which is why it's counter intuitive. It only has to do with whether we deem you capable of responsibly making such a decision, which is a completely arbitrary standard we have set because we want to extend childhood another 10 years.

12 -14 year old brides was normal up until recently so the idea that these kids are biologically or mentally incapable of handling sex is a pretty recent invention. I do think they're probably better off being protected in this way... But then if we are perfectly honest there are definitely going to be people over the age of 20 who realistically would also be better off avoiding it.

However, people have sex drives. And I don't know about anyone else here but I think 14 years old was probably the horniest age of my life. I think everyone accepts that teenage sex with other teens is going to happen. We only bring consent in when an adult is involved because it's just about protecting them from predators really it's not actually about consenting to sex itself.

Cause if you are going to say the sex might traumatize them at that age then it stands to reason that sex with other teens also might traumatize them. We wouldn't let 6 year old have sex as long as it was with other 6 year olds, but we do this with teens because we realize intrinsically that they are sexual beings and we are attempting to suppress that or put it back in the box until we're ready to deal with it at age 18.

The Batlord 07-08-2022 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2209820)
No, children can not consent. Well, they technically can by saying "yes, let's bang", but the principle that any consent a child gives is invalid is something I feel is very important. Also, they can't vote and they're full of shit.

In theory, something like a mutually beneficial / pleasurable sexual relationship could exist between adult and child (yuck). But the capacity for the child to understand the extent of what they're getting into is likely not great and the opportunity for the adult to take advantage / exploit / cause suffering is far too great. Children are vulnerable and need to be protected.

I'm pretty much a utilitarian, but I feel like the best and simplest way to deal with the issue is ofc to make it illegal. Not only does that help us avoid bad situations, but I think the general principles that it fosters in the minds and hearts of people will help reduce suffering in the world, even if it smothers the rare possibility of a mutually beneficial/functioning adult/child sexual relationship.

edit:

By the way, I read Pamela Des Barres' autobiography I'm With The Band about the groupie scene around LA in the 60s/early 70s and.. man does it seem like there was a lot of pedophilia going on. Hey, teacher. Leave 'em dicks alone!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAC0gkqXsAARVgg.jpg

SGR 07-08-2022 01:20 PM

It's Voosh!

Scarlett O'Hara 07-08-2022 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2209812)
There’s some truth in what you say but for me the central issue is consent. Can, for instance, a ten year old, male or female, consent to having sex with an adult of either sex fully knowing what they’re getting themselves involved in?

My perspective is one people have argued with but I can’t get my head around the idea a young pre-pubescent child being regarded as a sexual being. Sensual maybe but sexual? So, even though my sex life started at 14 I just can’t agree with the idea of an adult seducing someone pre-pubescent. There’s another issue here seldom discussed. Today, young girls are entering pubescence far earlier than ever before due to chemicals polluting our environment triggering precocious development.


I knew something was wrong with me when I was 5-6 and me and another girl showed each other's lady bits to each other. Then from age 11-12 I was extremely horny, masturbating etc. I told my friends that I used a brush :laughing: and they told me that's disgusting and embarrassing. I first had sex with a guy who was 18 while I was 15. He couldn't even get it in. I realise now how wrong that was for him to do this. Legally he was an adult. Then for some reason he made up a lie that I had told people we had sex. I got bullied, my friends deserted me for a) not telling them what happened and b) that they thought I was a liar. In the end his best friend Ange told me he told her the truth and she made sure everyone knew. As an adolescent that was the most humiliating thing and to have my friends hate me for it was unbearable.



Moral of the story, this was about 2002-3 and at this time I was very sexually awakened. Got to 2004 and I went to a party and made out with a girl who I really liked. She didn't remember the next day so I kept it to myself. I told my best friend that I think I'm bi. She was pretty sweet about it but I felt so ashamed as no one at my school was 'out'. Ironically a girl from my school tried outing me in front of the entire girls locker room calling me a **** and a lesbian and I had to tell the Dean who then forced her to admit she made it up. She came out as lesbian just after we graduated. That's how I learnt about projecting when someone bullies you for something. By 2005 (year of my high school graduation) I was very attractive and caught the attention of a 'popular' guy at my school. We flirted all year but he could never go through with dating me as I was not 'popular'.



Sorry, I am going on and on but it feels nice to share things with you all.

Ayn Marx 07-08-2022 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Celladorina (Post 2209843)
I knew something was wrong with me when I was 5-6 and me and another girl showed each other's lady bits to each other. Then from age 11-12 I was extremely horny, masturbating etc. I told my friends that I used a brush :laughing: and they told me that's disgusting and embarrassing. I first had sex with a guy who was 18 while I was 15. He couldn't even get it in. I realise now how wrong that was for him to do this. Legally he was an adult. Then for some reason he made up a lie that I had told people we had sex. I got bullied, my friends deserted me for a) not telling them what happened and b) that they thought I was a liar. In the end his best friend Ange told me he told her the truth and she made sure everyone knew. As an adolescent that was the most humiliating thing and to have my friends hate me for it was unbearable.



Moral of the story, this was about 2002-3 and at this time I was very sexually awakened. Got to 2004 and I went to a party and made out with a girl who I really liked. She didn't remember the next day so I kept it to myself. I told my best friend that I think I'm bi. She was pretty sweet about it but I felt so ashamed as no one at my school was 'out'. Ironically a girl from my school tried outing me in front of the entire girls locker room calling me a **** and a lesbian and I had to tell the Dean who then forced her to admit she made it up. She came out as lesbian just after we graduated. That's how I learnt about projecting when someone bullies you for something. By 2005 (year of my high school graduation) I was very attractive and caught the attention of a 'popular' guy at my school. We flirted all year but he could never go through with dating me as I was not 'popular'.



Sorry, I am going on and on but it feels nice to share things with you all.

No apology needed - you’ve opened my eyes to a problem I thought only manifested in males - the sanctity of so called masculinity and all that twaddle.

You’ve reminded me of Queen Victoria’s attitude when it was suggested female/female sexuality should be made illegal along with the male/male kind. She didn’t see the point given she simply couldn’t imagine what two women could do with each other. Someone should have taken her aside & given her a demonstration.

Scarlett O'Hara 07-08-2022 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2209846)
No apology needed - you’ve opened my eyes to a problem I thought only manifested in males - the sanctity of so called masculinity and all that twaddle.

You’ve reminded me of Queen Victoria’s attitude when it was suggested female/female sexuality should be made illegal along with the male/male kind. She didn’t see the point given she simply couldn’t imagine what two women could do with each other. Someone should have taken her aside & given her a demonstration.


As time has gone by, I have gained a huge respect for you Ayn. Is it true she though two women would just be scissoring? Why do people event think that lol.

Ayn Marx 07-08-2022 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Celladorina (Post 2209849)
As time has gone by, I have gained a huge respect for you Ayn. Is it true she though two women would just be scissoring? Why do people event think that lol.

You’ve no idea where my twisted brain first took me when I read ‘scissoring’.

As to why women thought that way its possible the common Victorian idea women shouldn’t demonstrably enjoy sex had something to do with it. On that score Queen Victoria could have enlightened them given we now know she was ( how does one say this?) dedicated to the bedroom mazurka.

Scarlett O'Hara 07-09-2022 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2209854)
You’ve no idea where my twisted brain first took me when I read ‘scissoring’.

As to why women thought that way its possible the common Victorian idea women shouldn’t demonstrably enjoy sex had something to do with it. On that score Queen Victoria could have enlightened them given we now know she was ( how does one say this?) dedicated to the bedroom mazurka.


:laughing: I hope your brain could reset after that! Yeah that makes sense, but was Victoria into women as well?

Ayn Marx 07-09-2022 08:39 PM

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:laughing: I hope your brain could reset after that! Yeah that makes sense, but was Victoria into women as well?

No, she didn’t think women could ‘do that’. It’s the reason the legislation making male/male sex in Victorian England didn’t include women/women sexual acts. Victoria just couldn’t imagine what women could do for/to each other. As I remarked previously, one of her ladies in waiting could have generously demonstrated women could indeed give each other pleasure outside her limited understanding. However, given Victoria’s appetites lord knows what that could have unleashed.

jwb 07-09-2022 09:05 PM

Maybe she was on the DL. "I can't imagine lesbian sex" feels like a pretty convenient excuse to keep it legal.

Ayn Marx 07-10-2022 05:29 PM

Had a surprise visit from my cousin I’d not seen in over 40 years. Worked as a trucker along the East Coast of Australia. I once hitched a ride with him to Brisbane during which I soon learnt he wasn’t straight. He explained truckers like him ‘entertained' large numbers of hitchers. Needless to say I soon learnt to avail myself of the joys of the interstate highway.
Claims he's now happily married to a lovely woman yet while visiting he drew my attention to this sight. Methinks if he still drove trucks he’d still be providing ‘entertainment’ to lonely hitchers.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/502184200762862/

Ayn Marx 07-15-2022 01:07 AM

Where have all the poofs & dyXs gone ? Not that many of our lesbian friends hang around establishments such as this which is a shame. Their perspective on hetro males, if caustic, can be amusing at times.

WWWP 07-15-2022 01:29 AM

*raises hand in apprehension*

Marie Monday 07-15-2022 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2210665)
Where have all the poofs & dyXs gone ? Not that many of our lesbian friends hang around establishments such as this which is a shame. Their perspective on hetro males, if caustic, can be amusing at times.

Mate the women of this forum are statistically very gay
We're not all manhaters you know but I feel like this is accurate:
https://i.imgur.com/9lvHAU0.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/xDgQsAc.png

Ayn Marx 07-15-2022 02:21 AM

I wasn’t aware I’d suggested all women are man haters. On the other hand I’ve too frequently witnessed straight female friends treated in public by dyXs as sex objects in exactly the same way many straight males treat other women in public. At times this has had me thinking- “Hang on, you’re behaving towards other women exactly in the way you object to men doing to you” I ran this by a close lesbian friend just now & she suggested these women are taking male hormones the make them behave that way. I have no idea if there’s any truth in that. Hope I’ve managed to explain my puzzlement - this is a risky area to discuss I’m told.

The Batlord 07-15-2022 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayn Marx (Post 2210676)
I wasn’t aware I’d suggested all women are man haters. On the other hand I’ve too frequently witnessed straight female friends treated in public by dyXs as sex objects in exactly the same way many straight males treat other women in public. At times this has had me thinking- “Hang on, you’re behaving towards other women exactly in the way you object to men doing to you” I ran this by a close lesbian friend just now & she suggested these women are taking male hormones the make them behave that way. I have no idea if there’s any truth in that. Hope I’ve managed to explain my puzzlement - this is a risky area to discuss I’m told.

What a weird, creepy liar.

ribbons 07-15-2022 08:45 AM

People who objectify women exist in the straight male community and in the lesbian community (and in the bi, trans, and genderqueer communities too, I should think). Not all straight males objectify women, nor do all lesbians. It has nothing to do with being straight male, lesbian, etc. It has to do with being a person who objectifies women.

Marie Monday 07-15-2022 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2210680)
What a weird, creepy liar.

Yeah that's the weirdest form of bull**** sexism I've heard about in a long time. Sounds TERF-ish tbh

Anyway no worries Ayn, the manhater comment was tongue-in-cheek

ribbons 07-15-2022 12:41 PM

*** googles TERF ***

You learn something new every day - thanks, Marie.

I'm not an expert on the subject but even if a lesbian or transitioning-to-male person takes male hormones, I hardly think that automatically makes them objectify women! :rolleyes:

WWWP 07-15-2022 01:32 PM

To be fair women do take testosterone often for hormonal imbalance issues, especially once menopausal, and it does often lead to an exceptionally high increase in things like libido.

No correlation to higher probability of behaving like a douchebag, though.


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