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Inqueery:

In identity and presentation, where on a spectrum of masculine to feminine do you fall? If high femme is (+)10, high masc is (-)10, and androgyny is 0, where would you place yourself? And does that placement remain static or is it fluid for you?

Bonus question:
Top, bottom, or switch?

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Marie Monday

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I've tried not to be as androgynous in my teens so outwardly it has changed a little bit, but inwardly it has been exactly like that since puberty. Before that I'd say 0, but children are inherently more androgynous I think
switch, inclining to bottom

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1st question: God this is such a complicated subject for me. It's always been inextricably tied to my current level of confusion (as it's always varied wildly!!!!) about my sexual orientation AND my current level of body dysmorphia. BUT purely in terms of presentation, I'm probably around.. a 7?? I don't really wear makeup (or heels, or anything overly tedious like that) aside from eyeliner, undereye concealer and tinted lip balm. My clothing style alternates between Cozy Gender-Neutral Grandpa, Chaotic Femme and Vaguely Tomboyish. I've always wished I could pull off the whole androgynous & flamboyant Tilda Swinton/Villanelle thing but I just don't have the bone structure for it (so I tend to settle with more of a tomboyish thing instead, on days I feel compelled to do so)
Now as for identity I. Do not know!!!! I recently decided to stop overanalyzing it so much because I was driving myself crazy.

Bonus question: Switch

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Omg, so much the bolded, fuck!

I think it's a really good thing to not overanalyze your identity, especially if it's fluid - like maybe who you are changes like the seasons, maybe you're not meant for stasis. That said I know that internally not having that clarity will also drive you mad, particularly because we humans love to categorize things, and see where we fit within those established structures.

I suspect though, that we can't even fathom the intricacies and nuances and endless possibilities of gender identity and sexual orientation because it's never been prioritized as a worthy endeavor, and those that do dig deeper or push the question further are typically ostracized and othered and at best kept on the fringes of society.

Imagine if we valued self discovery as a species as much as we do military prowess, or keeping up with the Jones'. I think that is changing, (god bless gen z ily) albeit slowly, and I'm glad to be a witness. What a damn shame of a setback though, like the Dark Ages of introspection.



Sorry I'm not smoking weed right now and this is what my brain does not on drugs, I could keep going until I've answered all my own questions lmao

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Welp Marie basically summed up my thoughts on this, soo-- ASTROLOGY! Yes everyone pls DM WWWP (or me) your birth time, place and location info pls.

Having Leo in TWO of the 'big three' placement sounds interesting. Bat has Leo, gemini (or libra?) and capricorn energy IMO. (If I HAD to guess, I'd say an air moon and earth ascendant) Hrmmmm as for Marie... I would guess that there's a good amount of aquarius, virgo and cancer in her chart (maybe an aquarius ascendant??), but I'm probably wrong! I just say things.

Have you found that certain sun signs seem to flock to you/you can't get rid of them? In the past I was constantly surrounded by geminis. I probably had the least experience with scorpios, but my current bf is a scorpio (and also has Venus in scorpio.)

I wish I knew more about vedic and draconic astrology. They both seem more interesting than western astrology. Not that I necessarily believe in any of it, though I do regularly see things that are far too on-the-nose when skimming through some of the auto-generated long natal chart report interpretations on sites like Cafeastrology. I especially like the borderline-insulting bits they'll throw at you.

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You nailed the Leo vibes, good call, potentially Libra in there too depending on time of birth. Lots of Leo energy up in here, damn!

Those are my only two Leo placements and I think it's nutso that they're both in the Big Three! I am all fire and air bay-bee- and then 6 of my planetary placements are in Capricorn, including the Littler Three, (Mercury, Venus, March). Jupiter and Pluto are both in big water energy, Cancer and Scorpio respectively. Not enough to stamp out my fire, but enough to remind me it's ok to feel things lol. Kind of wild how little variance there is in my chart, not that I know what the implications of that are or anything.

Totally, soo many of my female friends are Libras and Virgos. I attract a lot of Geminis too, but I don't necessarily have close friendships with them. My ex is a Scorpio, and while I couldn't handle his controlling and obsessive nature, I also have a femme Scorpio friend and I totally love her vibe, she's inwardly controlling and obsessive - which works well with her ambitiousness in her career and drive to better herself, and doesn't have any negative affect on our relationship because she has never once tried to tell me what to do lol.

I've actually dated several Aquarian men, which just seems statistically improbable, one of whom even had the same exact birth date as I do. Never again. Never, never again. Not enough room under one roof for all those performative personality quirks.

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god I know exactly what you mean. I feel it'd be fine if it were two platonic friends like that living together though. (if one's special brand of neurosis is compatible with the other's)



^ Literally an aquarius trying to do anything (when not depressed, that is)

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goldendoodle

OK FINALLY in Texas at my mom's now so I can properly reply:

I did!!!! Plus he very much has Leo Hair based on that one photo he posted in the member photo thread, if I'm remembering correctly) I ALSO predicted Virgo being one of Marie's main three initially but then started overthinking it and guessed incorrectly instead.

Ooh I have lots of Capricorn too! And even if there seems to be little variance on the surface i'm sure there's plenty of interesting placements in your chart. (For instance I have Mars opposite Pluto-- more scary than interesting tbh-- and then Moon opposite Saturn which is known to cause body issues and family problems galore) Unfortunate how many people just associate astrology with vague magazine horoscopes and the like when actual astrology/full natal chart reports etc (..and vedic astrology which is beyond my comprehension) is super complex and vast. IMO for those who do not wish to actually study it (me) it's easiest to just copy/paste whatever placements (venus square pluto for instance like I have) in your auto-generated natal chart report seem most interesting/confusing to you into google and reading the numerous blog and forum posts that come up about it, as that will usually give a more in-depth explanation.

Also btw, since ofc one's ascendant is known to affect one's physical appearance a good deal, and I was initially curious as to whether you had a Pisces asc or something (even though you don't ~feel like a Pisces rising) due to your large dreamy eyes!!! But Leo makes sense too in retrospect.

Libras are always fun, same with Geminis. As i said I have very little experience with Scorpios, but I've followed one online on tumblr for several years and I, too love her whole vibe including the obsessive/controlling part. (The bf is a scorpio sun + venus in scorpio and mercury in scorpio. Unsurprisingly he is the first person that immediately picked up on and gladly participated in certain dumb weirdo things I like doing early on in relationships during the courting phase, such as putting codes in seemingly mundane messages and making playlists with multiple hidden messages in them etc.)

And for the record, @Bat/whoever I don't ""believe"" in astrology, like, on paper, (I wouldn't let it influence daily life decisions for instance) but at the same time I always feel compelled to learn about the basics when it comes to any even vaguely mystical topic/practice (aside from tarot which I just can't seem to get into; Lenormand clicked with me more) which does sometimes lead to certain things I come across resonating with me to a degree. But also nothing is real and everything is chaos, so. Doesn't really matter. I probably am not ""real"" either. I am a wayward, troublesome goblin inside god's brain.

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