The #metoo thread (sexual assault and/or misconduct discussion)

[Oriphiel]

Originally Posted by 66Sexy

Church. Brains run on maths the same as everything else in the universe, and maths isn't multiple choice (shut up). To hold a series of algorithms responsible for anything is nonsense but there's no current alternative.

Edited for our UK friends

[DwnWthVwls]

Now youre just making sense.

[DwnWthVwls]

You forgot:

Brains >>>

[OccultHawk]

rehabilitation should be the primary goal etc

rehabilitation makes us more subservient to the state than torturous public executions ever did

If "we" are our brains, then "we" are the ones controlling our actions. Also, predetermined is not synonymous with predictable.

Brains don’t control themselves any more than rocks do and uh yeah I know what those words mean

No offense man but you’re not ready

You seem to want a discussion but what you need is a lecture or a book

Something where you can’t respond

I know that sounds rude but that’s where you’re at on this

[DwnWthVwls]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

words

So you think if there are a finite set of actions but we are only free to choose which action to take instead of any action we want then we don't have free will?

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by 66Sexy

For me to call it freewill you'd have to be able to rewind from a cause and effect to before the cause and find just one instance where the event happened differently. Let's take you walking down the street and you stub your toe, shout "****!", and hop up and down on the other foot three times. Now we replay the incident one billion times to see if you shout "****!" or hop up and down four times or step differently so that you don't stub your toe at all. If that never happens and you do the same exact thing over and over and over then does it make sense to say that you have freewill?

Is that falsifiable and would you consider the response to stubbing your toe a choice?

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Brains don’t control themselves any more than rocks do

But they autonomously function and we are them so we are autonomous.

and uh yeah I know what those words mean

Then don't use them synonymously .

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Is that falsifiable and would you consider the response to stubbing your toe a choice?

It's not a choice if I don't have a choice.

But they autonomously function and we are them so we are autonomous.

So you're a compatibilist. So long as you aren't being hindered or coerced you have freewill? Cause if that's not what you're saying then you're using autonomous in two different ways here. To autonomously function simply means to function without interference, but to be autonomous in an incompatibilist sense means more than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibilism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incompatibilism

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by 66Sexy

It's not a choice if I don't have a choice.



So you're a compatibilist. So long as you aren't being hindered or coerced you have freewill? Cause if that's not what you're saying then you're using autonomous in two different ways here. To autonomously function simply means to function without interference, but to be autonomous in an incompatibilist sense means more than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibilism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incompatibilism

*autonomously control our actions

Poor wording, you got me.

I don't think that there is a mind/body separation, so to say that your brain is in control of your actions is the same as saying that you are in control of your actions. Like I said, it's not either/or.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by Frownland

*autonomously control our actions

Poor wording, you got me.

I don't think that there is a mind/body separation, so to say that your brain is in control of your actions is the same as saying that you are in control of your actions. Like I said, it's not either/or.

Think of it like this. You take a ****. That **** has no control over itself. That’s exactly how much control your brain has. None.

[OccultHawk]

Originally Posted by elphenor

we have examples of countries that practice rehabilitation first and they're not "more subservient", their governments are held to a higher standard of accountability in comparison

Rehabilitation is the cornerstone of the oppression of everything that makes us subservient

Foucault explains it actually in Discipline and Punish

a panopticon inside a panopticon inside a panopticon

school work

get out of line reform

way out of line punitive reform (rehabilitation)

this is why we’re stuck and the power structure is so stable