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Old 08-29-2018, 06:15 PM   #111 (permalink)
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The ability to control anything you do.
I define it as not being bound to a predetermined fate.

Do you consider "you" to be separate from the brain?
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Old 08-29-2018, 06:22 PM   #112 (permalink)
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Hard determinism I can get behind, "no free will" in terms of no accountability is nonsense.
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Old 08-29-2018, 06:28 PM   #113 (permalink)
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Old 08-29-2018, 06:30 PM   #114 (permalink)
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Hard determinism I can get behind, "no free will" in terms of no accountability is nonsense.
We’re evolved to see a lack of free will as counterintuitive so it’s an existential dead end to live as if there’s no free will even though there isn’t. We must ignore the truth and live as if we have free will. And that means holding people accountable for their behavior. We’re a long way off from transitioning into how to deal with matters such as accountability.
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Old 08-29-2018, 06:35 PM   #115 (permalink)
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We’re evolved to see a lack of free will as counterintuitive so it’s an existential dead end to live as if there’s no free will even though there isn’t. We must ignore the truth and live as if we have free will. And that means holding people accountable for their behavior. We’re a long way off from transitioning into how to deal with matters such as accountability.
Church. Brains run on math the same as everything else in the universe, and math isn't multiple choice (shut up). To hold a series of algorithms responsible for anything is nonsense but there's no current alternative.
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If youre not looking at this issue through the eyes of how the judicial system should handle it than its not a discussion worth having.
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Old 08-29-2018, 06:38 PM   #117 (permalink)
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I define it as not being bound to a predetermined fate.

Do you consider "you" to be separate from the brain?
To simplify the conversation and to avoid having to go into every useless caveat I'll just say no.

Since we have no control over even the tiniest of our actions we are obviously bound to a predetermined fate. It was settled and soon as the Big Bang started the universe expanding. Obviously. Unless you think we are of some supernatural property from outside the universe.
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Old 08-29-2018, 06:41 PM   #118 (permalink)
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Church. Brains run on math the same as everything else in the universe, and math isn't multiple choice (shut up). To hold a series of algorithms responsible for anything is nonsense but there's no current alternative.
Yeah. I think I remember you understood this when we discussed it before iirc

That’s pleasing to me because it’s so in your face obvious but still so few people seem to get it.
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Church. Brains run on maths the same as everything else in the universe, and maths isn't multiple choice (shut up). To hold a series of algorithms responsible for anything is nonsense but there's no current alternative.
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