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Old 08-29-2018, 07:20 PM   #131 (permalink)
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Old 08-29-2018, 07:21 PM   #132 (permalink)
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So you think if there are a finite set of actions but we are only free to choose which action to take instead of any action we want then we don't have free will?
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Old 08-29-2018, 07:22 PM   #133 (permalink)
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chemicals do however behave with entropy
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Old 08-29-2018, 07:22 PM   #134 (permalink)
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For me to call it freewill you'd have to be able to rewind from a cause and effect to before the cause and find just one instance where the event happened differently. Let's take you walking down the street and you stub your toe, shout "****!", and hop up and down on the other foot three times. Now we replay the incident one billion times to see if you shout "****!" or hop up and down four times or step differently so that you don't stub your toe at all. If that never happens and you do the same exact thing over and over and over then does it make sense to say that you have freewill?
Is that falsifiable and would you consider the response to stubbing your toe a choice?

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Then don't use them synonymously .
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You can calculate those things all you want until an outside force not accounted for comes in and ****s on your lame definition of predetermined. Are gummy bears with 2 heads predetermined?
Assuming you had an omniscient computer that could calculate literally everything then no outside force will act on anything and the dice roll will be calculated correctly. Just because we don't have such a computer doesn't make anything not predetermined.

Do you think that your brain isn't run on math? Is there a magical force which exempts it from math? At what point does free will begin to act on your brain once math has stepped aside?
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Assuming you had an omniscient computer that could calculate literally everything then no outside force will act on anything and the dice roll will be calculated correctly. Just because we don't have such a computer doesn't make anything not predetermined.

Do you think that your brain isn't run on math? Is there a magical force which exempts it from math? At what point does free will begin to act on your brain once math has stepped aside?
Tell me, does an omniscient computer know the things it doesnt know?
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we have examples of countries that practice rehabilitation first and they're not "more subservient", their governments are held to a higher standard of accountability in comparison
Rehabilitation is the cornerstone of the oppression of everything that makes us subservient

Foucault explains it actually in Discipline and Punish

a panopticon inside a panopticon inside a panopticon

school work

get out of line reform

way out of line punitive reform (rehabilitation)

this is why we’re stuck and the power structure is so stable
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