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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2146009)

But how is your relationship with yourselves?

Frequent but unsatisfying.

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Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2145981)

I don't know what it's currently like for guys, but all the ideas I have for improving it involve deeper discussions on (at a certain age) pleasure and masturbation and consent and just candid conversations about whatever questions come up. This would also involve revolutionizing the porn industry and removing all abstinence only curriculum from being distributed. The goal being to demystify sex - if it weren't whispered about so often behind closed doors it wouldn't have that "I want what I'm not allowed to have" effect. Idk though, I have big ideas but no real plans for execution. This would all also rely on major widespread changes in public education and early childhood education and housing and the homeless epidemic and immigration, etc.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2145985)

You’re right. Sex Ed has a long long way to go still. A kid shouldn’t feel any different asking a question about it than they do asking about the solar system or whatever. I mean ****, a man and woman should just come in the class and show them. This is my vagina my labia my clitoris come up two at a time and get a good look. With actual sex just show them. Explain consent with no ambiguity. Show the consequences of STD’s no holds barred. Explain the joys of lust and the pain of a broken heart and everything that’s at stake. Same with gay sex. The process of transitioning - whatever. Bring them in and show them. Just totally demystify it. Hell, it’s one of the few things we have really easy access to for free. You don’t even need a field trip.

Yes, I think by far the most important thing that needs to be done is to get rid of the taboo around sex. It leads to pregnancies among repressed teens, and it also stops people from asking questions, asking for help, or recognising unhealthy sexual situations, and I think it amplifies the use of sex as a power tool. I think it's at the root of pretty much any sexual problem actually (apart from the fact that twisted rapists etc. unfortunately just exist)

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2146009)

But how is your relationship with yourselves?

https://i.ibb.co/3h5wJZW/rsz-2wpolu.png

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2146009)

But how is your relationship with yourselves?

Honestly not bad these days

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2146001)

https://www.quantamagazine.org/males...-why-20200608/

that's another plausible variable. Like I said I'm not married to the fact that sexual selection selection is the only driving force behind height differences, it's just the mainstream position and a fairly plausible one at that. The main point I was even getting at, at the beginning of all of this, was that women are the selective sex in humans so it makes sense they're more picky about who they sleep with. The height example was only one of many dimorphic traits that can plausibly be explained by sexual selection.

Penises exist because women selected for them.

There is no "select" only cause & effect.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2146050)

on the real

women were treated like cattle or buiz transactions for most of history...like all the way up until the Romantic Era

everything we understand about love, courtship, selection is mixed with (if not 100%) social conditioning

we're not talking about history.. we're talking pre history.

And I already said social conditioning comes into play... But some social constructs are more biologically rooted than others.

For example the idea that blue is associated with boys and pink with girls seems 100% arbitrary and cultural. But the idea men are more violent than women has clear roots is physiology and the division of labor in primitive tribes.

Most of the "negative" traits you cite in men are byproducts of traits that were useful in the prehistoric context.

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2146063)

nah this is pretty controversial

I guess it depends on how you look at it

beating your wife, the gather part of your hunter gather tribe, is not a beneficial trait...

is it a byproduct? maybe, but it seems to me actually to be a largely separate phenomenon that does follow from a historical influence

It's entirely possible that from an evolutionary standpoint making men so aggressive that they assault women isn't an issue because women can have babies with or without a black eye but men do have to be violent.