Support War? Support Bush? (country, metal, members, speaker, cover)

DontRunMeOver · 10-19-2005, 09:07 AM

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DRMO- I also wouldn't give too much credit to GWB for constructing these "outrageous lies" you speak of. His writing team does more face-saving and exaggeration than lying (nothing that is unique to just this adminstration). Bush merely stumbles through what his staff is telling him to say. Just out of curiosity, how do you know that his speeches are full of lies? Are you in Homeland Security? FBI? CIA? Armed Forces? I think you are telling me the half-truth.

From what I can see, his team doesn't even give him much opportunities for him to lie or even tell the truth about policy specifics.

Of course I'm not in any of those organisations! I live in Birmingham, UK! Did you think this was one of the states?

I don't know how much access you have to non-US media, but I'd recommend watching US-news and news from elsewhere back to back. The inconsistencies are sometimes quite incredible. Particularly, watching George Bush's speeches and then news from another country covering the same topic. Its like they were talking about completely different things.

Pat · 10-19-2005, 10:39 AM

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Of course I'm not in any of those organisations! I live in Birmingham, UK! Did you think this was one of the states?

I don't know how much access you have to non-US media, but I'd recommend watching US-news and news from elsewhere back to back. The inconsistencies are sometimes quite incredible. Particularly, watching George Bush's speeches and then news from another country covering the same topic. Its like they were talking about completely different things.

You are right, this is a nice and eye-opening thing to do. Just to compare CNN US and CNN Europe - is like watching 2 complete different stations.

IamAlejo · 10-19-2005, 07:37 PM

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No its not. But you are blantantly avoiding the point. His comments weren't untrue. (cept perhaps the final one) and people put them away because it made people uncomfortable.

We shouldn't ignore the facts. Kanye said what millions were thinking.

You're "cept perhaps the final one" shows me exactly how blatantly against Bush you are.

But you are taking what I said out of context. I said it wasn't hard to understand that Kanye West has no right to airplay on that TV station as it is a private broadcast and they have no responsibility whatsoever to play his (in my opinion) ignorant point of view to the rest of the United States.

IamAlejo · 10-19-2005, 07:39 PM

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Of course I'm not in any of those organisations! I live in Birmingham, UK! Did you think this was one of the states?

I don't know how much access you have to non-US media, but I'd recommend watching US-news and news from elsewhere back to back. The inconsistencies are sometimes quite incredible. Particularly, watching George Bush's speeches and then news from another country covering the same topic. Its like they were talking about completely different things.

So are you saying that US media is biased while all other media stations say the "complete truth"? All media is biased in some sorts.

adidasss · 10-20-2005, 04:05 AM

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So are you saying that US media is biased while all other media stations say the "complete truth"? All media is biased in some sorts.

cept for croatian media...

Pat · 10-20-2005, 05:03 AM

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So are you saying that US media is biased while all other media stations say the "complete truth"? All media is biased in some sorts.

I did not read the comment like this.
And I am certainly not saying that only US media is telling half-truth and the other media is not. I unclude all media in that - around the world. (Besides that there are only so many (actually only a few) news agencies (mostly Reuters).
The suggestion to watch outside US news, if available to you, is just for you (or anyone) to see the difference in delivery and views.
News in other places in the world are not presented as dramatic as in the US, and not repeated as much (with the same pictures over and over and over, to hammer it into ones head).
US news often put fear into people, which I think is nothing but controll and a certain way of thinking. Fear your neighbour, fear the one you don't know, fear the hurricane, fear certain religions.........
I am not talking about going through life with open eyes - I am talking about fear.

DontRunMeOver · 10-20-2005, 05:04 AM

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So are you saying that US media is biased while all other media stations say the "complete truth"?

No. I'm not saying that. Why? Did you want to change my completely valid point into a ridiculous one so that you could argue against it more easily?

IamAlejo · 10-20-2005, 01:51 PM

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No. I'm not saying that. Why? Did you want to change my completely valid point into a ridiculous one so that you could argue against it more easily?

That's it.

adidasss · 10-20-2005, 02:19 PM

hey, someone ( i shall not name any names ) is getting a bit paranoid about china getting more and more powerful.....*sigh*...i say humanity has about 20 more years before it all goes to hell....

ArmyofMe · 05-13-2006, 05:29 PM

Bush - First things first, HE IS A SUCKY SPEAKER.

ahh.. now that I got that out there are a few pretty good things about him:
1. I like his ideas and plans on war, they are much more realistic and well organized than the contrary (Kerry).

2. Most of his plans include a quick fix and a good long term role also. (No Child Left Behind)

3. If we didn't invade Iraq, it would have just put off our (probable future) strike at Iran further. (now we basically control their neighbor)

4. Compared to prices around the world, our oil prices kick-ass, in part because we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

5. Patriot Act - to me kinda wasteful, like trying to keep illegals out of the US, it is a good idea, in theory, but never really made it. And, for the stupid people out there that think the government really wants to spend there money learning what you like to do, pull your head out of your asses.

6. On Katrina - I think that Bush did a pretty nice job, people just got pissed because they lost most of what they had. (I would have been pissed too.)

7. The one thing that I hate about Bush, HE DOESN"T LIKE STEM CELL RESEARCH! If you want to kill a baby by obortion, at least put it to good use for saving other's lives.

ahh.. comments and political wars are fun..

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ArmyofMe mhmm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ummm... Posts: 72	Bush - First things first, HE IS A SUCKY SPEAKER. ahh.. now that I got that out there are a few pretty good things about him: 1. I like his ideas and plans on war, they are much more realistic and well organized than the contrary (Kerry). 2. Most of his plans include a quick fix and a good long term role also. (No Child Left Behind) 3. If we didn't invade Iraq, it would have just put off our (probable future) strike at Iran further. (now we basically control their neighbor) 4. Compared to prices around the world, our oil prices kick-ass, in part because we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. 5. Patriot Act - to me kinda wasteful, like trying to keep illegals out of the US, it is a good idea, in theory, but never really made it. And, for the stupid people out there that think the government really wants to spend there money learning what you like to do, pull your head out of your asses. 6. On Katrina - I think that Bush did a pretty nice job, people just got pissed because they lost most of what they had. (I would have been pissed too.) 7. The one thing that I hate about Bush, HE DOESN"T LIKE STEM CELL RESEARCH! If you want to kill a baby by obortion, at least put it to good use for saving other's lives. ahh.. comments and political wars are fun.. __________________ bah..